why am I not suprised.

[Requia ☣]

Not only does the new heath insurance reform bill fail to provide a public option, apparently it also requires every American to get health insurance, whether they can afford it or not.

Congratulations to those executives who will get in on the new ground floor of selling cut rate insurance that provides no actual benefit to america's poor, just so the politicians can claim everyone has health insurance.

[LMNO]

I believe this is also known as "The Massachussetts Plan".

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I believe this is also known as "The Massachussetts Plan".

Sometimes I laugh until I can't stop screaming.

Who called it?   

[Cramulus]

 

obama announced this in his speech the other week, but nobody was talking about this part, they were all too focused on the "YOU LIE" hoopla.
He passed it off subtly, quickly dismissing objections by citing that most states already require you to have car insurance.



it does demonstrate an elegant self reflexivity. Obama defined the failure of the current system in terms of how many people don't have insurance. Make it illegal to be uninsured = problem solved! Now you can't point at the 44 million americans that don't have health care!

this is really an excellent illustration of the law of eristic escalation


IMPOSITION OF ORDER = ESCALATION OF DISORDER

[The Good Reverend Roger]

obama announced this in his speech the other week, but nobody was talking about this part, they were all too focused on the "YOU LIE" hoopla.
He passed it off subtly, quickly dismissing objections by citing that most states already require you to have car insurance.



it does demonstrate an elegant self reflexivity. Obama defined the failure of the current system in terms of how many people don't have insurance. Make it illegal to be uninsured = problem solved! Now you can't point at the 44 million americans that don't have health care!

this is really an excellent illustration of the law of eristic escalation


IMPOSITION OF ORDER = ESCALATION OF DISORDER

I refer to that as "LMNO's Dictum".

[LMNO]

I love this century.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

What did people expect? If the government gets involved, they make mandates... its how they work.

[Jenne]

I started getting my Sunday-morning-show-instigated-Tourett's again this Sunday while Obama was arguing with George Snuffalupogus about this.  Poor George--he just kept frowning deeper and deeper.

I hate this century.

[fomenter]

but... but... they said it would be FREE..... FREE heath care.... that means we don't have to pay for it..... now its mandatory that we pay for coverage it whether or not we need or want it????

yay government 

[Jenne]

Anyone else see how this new "Bakus" (sp?) plan has stuff in it that doesn't even take effect until 2013?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

but... but... they said it would be FREE..... FREE heath care.... that means we don't have to pay for it..... now its mandatory that we pay for coverage it whether or not we need or want it????

yay government 

But you do still have your sammich, right?  

[Cramulus]

IIRC the argument is that some corporations are gaming the system by not giving their employees health care even though they can afford it

so now everybody has to has it, thereby keeping the corporations honest


and for those that can't afford it, Obama said there will be a cheap federally funded option (what happened to that?), but that less than 5% of americans will qualify for it anyway so people shouldn't get their heckles up about it.

[Jenne]

Well, the part that's shit is the people who have to fund 15% of their fucking salaries and make 66K a year for their health care.  Whether they use the health care or not.

Unless I'm getting my figures wrong.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

IIRC the argument is that some corporations are gaming the system by not giving their employees health care even though they can afford it

so now everybody has to has it, thereby keeping the corporations honest


and for those that can't afford it, Obama said there will be a cheap federally funded option (what happened to that?), but that less than 5% of americans will qualify for it anyway so people shouldn't get their heckles up about it.

Yeah... and if we don't have Universal Insurance for everyone from the government (which due to dumbasses appears out of the question), then the only way to get costs under control is make everyone have insurance, regular doctor visits and keep serious ailments to as few people as possible.

Its ironic that the so called 'Conservatives/Libertarians' are more worried about a federal program that offers insurance than the federal government acting in an Authoritarian manner demanding that you GO GET health insurance. America, the country of dumb.

[Cain]

5% of Americans?

COMMUNISM!  DEATH PANELS!  OBAMA WANTS TO KILL YOUR GRANDMA!

Well, at least you guys know one thing for sure, now.  Obama does not have the balls to stand up against the wingnuts, either based on principle or even wounded ego (even if he is in the pocket of pharamceuticals and insurance companies, in his position I'd be tempted to make the bill include more clauses orientated towards the public option - just to show the bastards I couldn't be intimidated by them).

So next time the rich and powerful and not especially caring for the democratic process want something out of Obama, guess what is going to happen?  That's right, crazies out of the closet, talking about incipient tyranny and socialism, with pre-made signs, bused in to protest by astro-turfing faux grass roots organisations.

The Republic and liberal democracy = pwned, 169%