Michael Moore's New Movie

[Requia ☣]

Yeah, corpratism != Capitalism

If anything Michael Moore is going to hurt credibility of the less well known people who are trying to explain whats really going on.

[Cramulus]

many of the torrents floating around are fakes - you might be getting the Wedding Singer or something

if anybody spots a working torrent, please link!

[Triple Zero]

I liked the Wedding Singer.

[Cain]

Why do people always equate capitalism with Corporate Capitalism?  Isn't a mom and pop owned shop part of the whole so-called capitalism racket?

I doubt Michael Moore would shit all over a mom and pop shop.

As far as I can see, most of those shops have been put out of business by state-favoured corporations and massive multinational enterprises.

I've lived in some pretty desolate places in my time, and I can only recall a few shops who were locally owned.  A couple of pubs, a butcher's, a few hairdressers and a general store.

Almost everything else is owned by some giant company, comglomerate, franchise or brewery.  Small shops are not worth taking into consideration, because in most places they're not really relevant anymore.

[La Terrorista]

There is a cure for everything wrong with capitalism/communism/socialism/democracy/discordianism:
KILL FUCKING EVERYONE.

[Halfbaked1]

There is a cure for everything wrong with capitalism/communism/socialism/democracy/discordianism:
KILL FUCKING EVERYONE.

1. Get a big, nice yacht from some rich fuck that has three or something.

2. Contact North Korea and arrange a mid range missle with nuclear capacity in exchange for the yacht.

3. pain the missle with Indian markings

4. smuggle nuke to India, or simply launch from Indian waters at Pakistan. 

It doesn't matter if it makes it, or detonates, the launch will be detected and the pieces will be easier to identify if it doesn't.  Hopefully someone gets horked off enough to launch their own nukes, that sets others off and bada-boom, no more people.  Much fewer people anyway.  Just an idea 

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

He's been toting the clips around the talking bobblehead shows, and he told Bill Maher he expects a "revolution" or something to that effect...

I think he'll be sorely disappointed if that's what he believes.  I think this will be like Sicko and Roger & Me...something to make people go "hm" but nothing that will be any more than some buzz.  I think Bowling for Columbine got more responses from people, mostly because of the Marilyn Manson coverage, and the fact that it was about the gruesome twosome.

On the contrary, I believe that this will be the film that finally gets him institutionalied. All of the clips on the ad make him look insane; The first time I saw it I thought that it was a parody

Plus, what the hell is this documentary supposed to accomplish? Everybody already knows that AIG and the banking and housing and insurance industries are corrupt. Everybody already knows about the recession. Hell, I purposely avoid watching the news and even I know about it!

They might as well just have an hour-and-a-half long film ofMichael Moore beating an actual dead horse!

Actually, to tell the truth, I would be much much MORE inclined to watch Michael Moore beat n actual dead horse for ninety minutes than I would be tosee his new movie...

[Halfbaked1]

Would I be terribly out of line by mentioning that Mr. Moore is bloody rich off his movies while he gripes about the evils of capitalism? 

[La Terrorista]

Would I be terribly out of line by mentioning that Mr. Moore is bloody rich off his movies while he gripes about the evils of capitalism? 

No, you'd just be explaining what we already know.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

There is a cure for everything wrong with capitalism/communism/socialism/democracy/discordianism:
KILL FUCKING EVERYONE.

1. Get a big, nice yacht from some rich fuck that has three or something.

2. Contact North Korea and arrange a mid range missle with nuclear capacity in exchange for the yacht.

3. pain the missle with Indian markings

4. smuggle nuke to India, or simply launch from Indian waters at Pakistan. 

It doesn't matter if it makes it, or detonates, the launch will be detected and the pieces will be easier to identify if it doesn't.  Hopefully someone gets horked off enough to launch their own nukes, that sets others off and bada-boom, no more people.  Much fewer people anyway.  Just an idea 

But what about the poor animals that get caught in the crossfire

No, better to use a genetically engineered super virus. Viruses have a greater species specificity than nuclear bombs. Preferably something that becomes contagious before its symptoms become apparent (perhaps a genetically modified AIDS virus that spreads through the air?), ...uh, anyway, and then release it into some international airport or something; preferably one with planes (or whatever) heading to places that most pandemics don't usually reach (as well as preferably at least one plane each heading to China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and also every state in the American "Bible Belt".) 

[Cain]

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/10/06/michael-moores-problems-are-our-fault/

Interesting review.  Here is the tl;dr version:

I found most of the content of Moore's movie horrifying. It was also striking to me that the theme he is addressing here, i.e. the rapid peasant-ization of most of the country, is basically a taboo subject for every other major media outlet in the country. The vast majority of our movies are either thinly-disguised commercials for consumer products (Law Abiding Citizen), remakes of old shows and movies designed to transport us back to the good old days when life was better (i.e. Fame) , or gushy nerf-tripe with no hard edges crafted to serve as escapist fairy tales for stressed-out adults wanting to dream of happy endings (Love Happens).

What we call a "good movie" is usually also escapism, and sometimes even also a nostalgic remake, it just happens to be well-done and expertly directed, with great production values and acting performances (I haven't seen it yet. but I assume Where the Wild Things Are will fall into this category).

But we're living in a time of extreme crisis almost nothing on TV or in the movies is designed to get us thinking about how to fix our problems. If anything, most of the stuff on TV is designed to jack up our anxiety level without offering any solutions except the short-term fixes of buying and eating — witness the endless reality shows in which ordinary people slave away and scheme against each other for weeks on end for a 1 in 12 shot at a (pick one) modeling job/date with a non-deformed, non serial-killing person/chance to be shouted at by Donald Trump.

Now that stuff is cynical and monstrous. It is my sincere hope that the people who are producing these programs will someday be tried and executed by war crimes tribunals at the Hague.

At least Michael Moore is getting us talking about the right topics. And while I get that the right way to start a revolution is not to wildly misinterpret the nature of capitalism in a coffeeshop conversation with Wallace Shawn (whose line about the grabber product was the funniest thing in the movie, by the way), well, it's not really Michael Moore's job to start a revolution. He probably thinks it is — and this is that "Atlas" complex fellow True/Slant writer Joseph Childers is talking about — but that's only because nobody else out there, in the major media at least, is doing a freaking thing.

It's natural for Michael Moore to behave like someone who thinks he's taking on the world alone. Because he is, sort of. If we want him to stop behaving like this, it's kind of on us to do something about it. At some point we're going to have to make a commitment to giving up our escapist entertainments for a while while we fix our actual lives. I'm as guilty as everyone else, spending half my time watching movies and sports. putting off my problems until later. If we all did less of that, my guess is that we might start thinking less like movie and TV critics, and more like citizens — at which point the flaws in Moore's movies won't seem so bad at all. We might not even notice them.