Cocaine Vaccine

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Hypothetically, (complete sci fi) if there was a vaccine that could vaccinate kids from the effects of cocaine if, or as a parent would you use it?

Personally I would say 100% No, BUT I do make most of my IRL decisions completely out of emotions, and if I was a parent I could totally see myself doing it.

Certainly not! There are a lot of drugs used in the medical field, especially cocaine, that are incredibly useful in the right context, and I would be potentially putting my child's life or at least well-being at risk if I made it so that those drugs would have no effect on them. I know they gave me cocaine during my surgery... I don't know what for, but I assume it was the best and most economical drug for whatever it is they needed doing.

[East Coast Hustle]

shit yeah, I'm'a go get me some surgery.

[East Coast Hustle]

as far as being serious, cocaine is used surgically as a topical anesthetic.

basically, they give whatever part of you they're operating on a big fat gummer.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

as far as being serious, cocaine is used surgically as a topical anesthetic.

basically, they give whatever part of you they're operating on a big fat gummer.

Why would I need a topical anesthetic when I was already under general? 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, LOL, they put cocaine up my nose!

[Telarus]

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-01/cocaine-vaccine-leads-addicts-take-10-times-more-cocaine

[East Coast Hustle]

Also, LOL, they put cocaine up my nose!

I am SO getting some surgery.

[BadBeast]

I'm trying deeply to find beneficial effect of this drug that seems to be a cocaine blocker that uses the immune system as a bypass that goes far beyond simply taking less cocaine, or taking no cocaine at all. Thus far I am bested by this problem of life.

Maybe one day.

It's for addicts who want to quit but are having a hard time.

I know, but what it apparently does is simply making cocaine less effective.

So,  what you can either do is simply take less to achieve the same effect.
Or you take the 'vaccine', and if you don 't have the willpower you're just going to use more cocaine to compensate for that it loses its effect and steal a car radio extra to finance this.

So unless I understand some part of this completely wrong, I'm really lost to how this could in any way be beneficial.

Drug addiction is more than just achieving the same neurotransmitter levels. Drug abuse is also about the environment in which you abuse, the sensory information involved in that. This is why giving suckers to nicotine addicts can be helpful because it gives them something to hold on to that simulates a cigarette.

A heavy coccaine user will keep taking coccaine likely, but a "vaccine" will wean them from the affect over time. Cold turkey has intense withdrawl symptoms.

And before you say it, no, they don't have that sort of self control.

Yeah, but nicotine patches are the logical inverse of this. Nicotine patches: You don't take the drug any more but you take some other thing that in reduced measure puts the effective substance in your system. The vaccine: You keep taking the drug but you take some other thing that reduces the effect of the effective substance in your system.

This thing should do the inverse of letting them quit, it makes them take more of it. It's the same thing as that people start tot take more and more of it because after a while it loses its effect. Same with this stuff, it just makes it lose its effect.

Nicotene patches have "Therapuetic" Nicotene in them. They just feed the same addiction, but use a different delivery method.  

So why not just make some "Therepeutic" Cocaine?

[Rumckle]

Dude, are you being serious?

[BadBeast]

Dude, are you being serious?

No, I was being cynical.

[Rumckle]

I guess I need to get my sarcasometer calibrated.

[East Coast Hustle]

whether you were serious or not, it seems like a much better idea than the vaccine. One of the hardest parts about breaking an addiction cycle is the ritual involved. Kicking the physical addiction is hard enough, but kicking the rituals involved with the addiction is incredibly difficult as well. If you made a "cocaine patch", you remove the user's impetus to seek out the ritual as a precursor to delivery of the drug itself. No need to go through the cokehead social dance, the chopping and lining and/or cooking and rocking, and all that peripheral stuff that becomes an integral part of the experience. Purely based on my anecdotal and personal experience, I think it would be much easier to wean yourself off of a substance if you had already removed everything else associated with the use of that substance other than the delivery of the substance itself.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

whether you were serious or not, it seems like a much better idea than the vaccine. One of the hardest parts about breaking an addiction cycle is the ritual involved. Kicking the physical addiction is hard enough, but kicking the rituals involved with the addiction is incredibly difficult as well. If you made a "cocaine patch", you remove the user's impetus to seek out the ritual as a precursor to delivery of the drug itself. No need to go through the cokehead social dance, the chopping and lining and/or cooking and rocking, and all that peripheral stuff that becomes an integral part of the experience. Purely based on my anecdotal and personal experience, I think it would be much easier to wean yourself off of a substance if you had already removed everything else associated with the use of that substance other than the delivery of the substance itself.

That seems likely to me as well, based on my personal observations.