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the math poll

Started by rong, October 10, 2009, 12:34:48 AM

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pick one, please

math was invented
14 (43.8%)
math was discovered
4 (12.5%)
it's a little bit of both
8 (25%)
don't know
2 (6.3%)
don't care
4 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 32

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Captain Utopia

#45
October 12, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
But those relationships wouldn't exist without the rules.
Vedic mathematicians may disagree.

The Good Reverend Roger

#46
October 12, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:32:22 PM
I tend to think of Mathematics as an Emergent system -

Crap.  

Here we go.

The Map is Not the Territory.
Don't Eat the Menu.
Emergent Systems.
Fnord.

Did I miss anything?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#47
October 12, 2009, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
But those relationships wouldn't exist without the rules.
Vedic mathematicians may disagree.

Vedic?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Captain Utopia

#48
October 12, 2009, 04:40:47 PM

The Good Reverend Roger

#49
October 12, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#50
October 12, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 12, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:32:22 PM
I tend to think of Mathematics as an Emergent system -

Crap.  

Here we go.

The Map is Not the Territory.
Don't Eat the Menu.
Emergent Systems.
Fnord.

Did I miss anything?

Law of Fives, naturally.

Also, "sombunall".

The Good Reverend Roger

#51
October 12, 2009, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
Also, "sombunall".

What's that?  Another pill?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#52
October 12, 2009, 04:44:24 PM

LMNO

#53
October 12, 2009, 04:45:48 PM

The Good Reverend Roger

#54
October 12, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 12, 2009, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
But those relationships wouldn't exist without the rules.
Vedic mathematicians may disagree.

Vedic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Bharati_Krishna_Tirtha%27s_Vedic_mathematics

Haven't read it yet, so I'm not sure what to think

I just browsed it, and it's absolute bullshit.  Fucking drek on the same scale as that bullshit back in the 70s where everyone tried to turn physics into Eastern mysticism.

ATTN, FICTIONPUSS:  WE ARE DISCUSSING MATHEMATICS, NOT HIPPIE BULLSHIT.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Captain Utopia

#55
October 12, 2009, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 12, 2009, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
But those relationships wouldn't exist without the rules.
Vedic mathematicians may disagree.

Vedic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Bharati_Krishna_Tirtha%27s_Vedic_mathematics

Haven't read it yet, so I'm not sure what to think
I'm trying to find an example which describes it as effortlessly as the video does..

fomenter

#56
October 12, 2009, 04:48:27 PM
Quote from: Rurouzaru on October 12, 2009, 04:26:00 AM
Math is most certainly a constructed, invented thing. However, within that construct, there is much to discover. For example, Pi the number can be considered an invention. On the other hand, the fact that there is a relationship between the radius and circumference/area of a circle is something discoverable within the construct of math. In fact, that it is equal to (or approximated by) 3.14... in base 10 may be discoverable. Our construction of base 10 once again lies within invented.
this makes the most sense to me out of what has been said so far

but now that TGRR has said
Quotethe map is not the territory
Don't Eat the Menu.
Emergent Systems.
Fnord.
i think we may be in a dangerous "dividing by zero" type discussion here and thread locking needs to be considered
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LMNO

#57
October 12, 2009, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 12, 2009, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 12, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
But those relationships wouldn't exist without the rules.
Vedic mathematicians may disagree.

Vedic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Bharati_Krishna_Tirtha%27s_Vedic_mathematics

Haven't read it yet, so I'm not sure what to think
I'm trying to find an example which describes it as effortlessly as the video does..

The Vedas are also an invention of language.  The basic argument does not change.

The Good Reverend Roger

#58
October 12, 2009, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 12, 2009, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 12, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
Also, "sombunall".

What's that?  Another pill?

Mostly.

I'm guessing "some but not all".  A pill for people who need jargon to validate their arguments.  A pill for MBAs.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#59
October 12, 2009, 04:55:55 PM
It's for weak cowards who can't stand the rigor of Roger Prime.
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