GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

I'm glad you've come up with a philosophical way to justify letting your domicile be sloppy. Now shut the fuck up and stop telling people what's right and what's wrong about the way they live. Some people are simply uncomfortable in messy homes; but of course people with OCD or a predisposition towards neatness aren't really people, what am I thinking?

I didn't say that neatness was wrong, I said that the belief that neatness^* is important is wrong.

As for OCD, I myself actually HAVE obsessive-compulsive disorder, and my experiance with it in fact is in large part what led me to the belief that tidiness and aesthetic concerns are insane. I came to the realization that concerns about appearance, other than as it relates to function (and especially if they are contrary to what is functional) is no different to my need to flick the lights on and off four times before finally turning them on or my need to always have the edges of all stacked objects (escpecially books) be perfectly paralell^*** also, I don't like to erase things (Even when I'm typing online, a lot of the time I'll just use the "strikethru" tag instead of deleting something that I've written); It serves no purpose, it merely fulfills a useless urge that does nothing for us except make us feel mildly uncomfortable if it is left unfulfilled.

Just because more conventional aesthetic concerns are more common it doesn't make them any less insane. The only difference with more popular inclination is that in this case the inmates are running the asylum. And I don't think that its right for one group of inmates to pick on the rest of the inmates...





^* And let me make it clear that I am talking here specifically about "Neatness" and "Tidiness" here, in the sense of "A place for everything and everything in its place" (and of worrying about creating positive aesthetic appeal in one's house), that is the rationale that I am attacking.
I AM NOT however, attacking "cleanliness" in the sense of not having dirt and old rotting food everywhere creating an actual health hazard; I fully understand and acknowledge the purpose of that^**.

^** Provided that you don't go overboard and give yourself worse health problems from inhaling bleach fumes than you would have gotten from whatever you just cleaned up. That isn't something that is likely to happen of course, but when I notice this kind of unlikely exception I never feel right unless I point it out.

^***(both with each other, as well as with whatever table they are on (if any^****) and with the wall of the room (the table usually takes precedence if it, itself, is not aligned with the wall (which is a situation that, itself, will drive me crazy if its on a day when the pharmacy has kept me waiting on a refill of my medication)))

^**** Often I stuff in my bedroom is stacked on the floor

[Cainad (dec.)]

•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

I'm glad you've come up with a philosophical way to justify letting your domicile be sloppy. Now shut the fuck up and stop telling people what's right and what's wrong about the way they live. Some people are simply uncomfortable in messy homes; but of course people with OCD or a predisposition towards neatness aren't really people, what am I thinking?

I didn't say that neatness was wrong, I said that the belief that neatness^* is important is wrong.

No, you didn't. Maybe that's what you meant, but it's not what you said.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

^*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

This essay was originally written for a larger publication that was posted on a different website which focused more on the SubGenius than the Discordian end of things. Just as on this site all of you have read the Principia Discordia but a couple have not read the Book of the SubGenius (or at least may not be intimately familiar with it), so too I made an allowance for people on the original site who had read the Book of the SubGenius but were not necessarily intimately familiar with the Principia Discordia...

[The Johnny]

Maybe you could try re-writing it for the purpose of clearness of terms and definitions?

Because if you admit that your terms are murky, then the attacks are based on "misunderstandings" which you should correct.

Edit: Maybe its not an enough incentive, but id comment it with as much seriousness as i could muster.

[the other anonymous]

^*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

This essay was originally written for a larger publication that was posted on a different website which focused more on the SubGenius than the Discordian end of things. Just as on this site all of you have read the Principia Discordia but a couple have not read the Book of the SubGenius (or at least may not be intimately familiar with it), so too I made an allowance for people on the original site who had read the Book of the SubGenius but were not necessarily intimately familiar with the Principia Discordia...

And everybody here disagrees with it! How... representative!

-toa,
with pr firms like these...

[President Television]

The physical mechanics of that emoticon boggle the mind.
No, wait, I see it now. That's rather strange.

ANYWAY, I must object to the notion that Discordianism dictates that one should live one's life in as messy of a condition as possible. No, I am not the neatest or most organized person in the world, and I do personally prefer a relaxed take on the subject of tidiness, but it does have its uses. I must protest your rejection of abortion, as well. I don't consider it to be particularly moral myself, but I'm a firm believer that the decision of abortion should be placed squarely on the mother. I don't think the morality of a complex issue like abortion can or should be decided from an abstract stance, especially by somebody who will never be in the position of having to make that choice(I'm assuming you're a guy- sue me).

[The Good Reverend Roger]

^*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

This essay was originally written for a larger publication that was posted on a different website which focused more on the SubGenius than the Discordian end of things. Just as on this site all of you have read the Principia Discordia but a couple have not read the Book of the SubGenius (or at least may not be intimately familiar with it), so too I made an allowance for people on the original site who had read the Book of the SubGenius but were not necessarily intimately familiar with the Principia Discordia...

Yeah?  Link?

And you said MOST of us.  MOST.  Not SOME.  Not a COUPLE.  MOST.

Dude, you even used the "teacher" emote with a straight face.  

You're a dumbshit, and all the backpedaling in the world won't change that.

[East Coast Hustle]

I don't think he was saying that abortion should be outlawed. In fact, I know he wasn't.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Maybe you could try re-writing it for the purpose of clearness of terms and definitions?

Because if you admit that your terms are murky, then the attacks are based on "misunderstandings" which you should correct.

Horseshit.  He proudly stepped to the podium, opened his mouth, and started trying to swallow his foot.

Now he's backpedaling like a BIG FUCKING PUSSY, instead of just apologizing for the blanket insult, and then being smart and letting the series of farts that his OP consists of sort of drift down the page.

[East Coast Hustle]

I also have learned that my occasional impulse to defend someone whose ideas are being (mostly deliberately) misinterpreted always ends up in tears, so I'll stop now.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I also have learned that my occasional impulse to defend someone whose ideas are being (mostly deliberately) misinterpreted always ends up in tears, so I'll stop now.

Redacted.  Same old tired shit, 2 years later.

[President Television]

I don't think he was saying that abortion should be outlawed. In fact, I know he wasn't.

No, but I don't think abortion is as simple as yes or no from an abstract position, even if you're not talking about outlawing it.

[Triple Zero]

•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population.

Translation:  The world needs more mammals.

on my holiday in Turkey a lot of stray kittens were around the hotel. they were very cute but they also had fleas. next year they were all gone btw. but srsly, diseases and LOADS OF CATS ALL OVER THE PLACE is bad y0.

I dunno if the same would happen with dogs btw? They don't multiply as much when they go stray, or something? Or maybe I just haven't been to a place where it happened.

•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

Translation:  Live in a pigsty, that never causes fire or trip hazards.  Or disease.

QFT. I'm pretty sure my house burning down would not have happened if my flatmate's room had not been a garbage belt filled with crap, leftovers, paper, wrappings and packaging just waiting to accidentally catch on fire one day.

[LMNO]

I'm against realness. I'mma gonna start the Unreally Unreal Discordians for Unrealness (Unreally!) Club.

Also Shandor, if you are planning on publishing this somewhere in the outside world, could you please remove all the direct references to "Discordianism"?  I'd rather not be associated with your belief system.