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Started by Dimocritus, November 10, 2009, 04:58:26 PM

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Dimocritus

Not sure if this is the best place for this. Feel free to move it wherever you think is best.

Puppets and Puppeteers.

As always, suggestions and advice are welcomed.
Episkopos of GABCab ~ "caecus plumbum caecus"

rong

i like the angle.  i am compelled to suggest a screen shot from "being john malkovich" - particularly the puppeteer with the puppet that is also a puppeteer.

i ain't too good at words and stuff - but i do think this feels like an early draft and hope some other folks have some good suggestions for you.

edit: the word "being" doesn't start with a "g"
"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Dimocritus

Quote from: rong on November 10, 2009, 05:15:46 PM
i like the angle.  i am compelled to suggest a screen shot from "being john malkovich" - particularly the puppeteer with the puppet that is also a puppeteer.

i ain't too good at words and stuff - but i do think this feels like an early draft and hope some other folks have some good suggestions for you.

edit: the word "being" doesn't start with a "g"

Yeah, it is a bit drafty in here.

I like the idea about the screen-shot. Just tried to search for one quick-like and didn't come up with anything. If anyone knows a good place to look for these kinds of things, let me know.
Episkopos of GABCab ~ "caecus plumbum caecus"

LMNO

There's also the Iron Maiden cover for Number of the Beast, which has Eddie controlling the strings of Satan, which controls the strings for Man.



Dimocritus

Quote from: LMNO on November 10, 2009, 05:32:38 PM
There's also the Iron Maiden cover for Number of the Beast, which has Eddie controlling the strings of Satan, which controls the strings for Man.




Ahh! Very good! Thanks!
Episkopos of GABCab ~ "caecus plumbum caecus"

Dimocritus

Updated. Reworded a bit and fixed some spelling errors I missed. Haven't done anything with the image yet.
Episkopos of GABCab ~ "caecus plumbum caecus"

Cramulus

Is the target audience only people that have realized that they are puppets? Or is awareness that you're a puppet something they're supposed to gain from reading the passage? If it's the latter, the headline should shift to draw in attention and provoke thought, rather than pidgeonholing the audience.

Just doing blind tests on people on the internet, we've had some experience that the second person (ie addressing the reader as You) tends to raise people's defenses. Nobody thinks that they are a puppet, just like nobody thinks that they are evil. In their own heads, there are perfect justifications for every behavior. If you come off a sermon going "Do you realize you're a sheep?" it puts people on the defensive. Or it sounds condescending. Both angles are not very persuasive.


the trick in advertising, I'm told, is to get your audience to come to the conclusion on their own. If you say "you're a puppet", the effect isn't nearly as strong as if you list some stuff which forces the reader to go, "Man, maybe I AM a puppet..."


Layout wise, I'd suggest putting a graphic of some sort above the text, or otherwise putting some more weight on the headline so that it balances with the lower image.

The lower image frame might look a little bit better if it was the same width as the text frame above it.

For the headline, grab something more eye catching. I'm told that fonts with serifs are hard to read for headlines. There are a ton of great fonts at http://www.1001freefonts.com/ - I use a lot of these in posters.

BTW - I really enjoy the font Artistamp, which does a great job of looking like it was hastily stamped there. Is good for marginalia and APPROVED notes.



Great poster! keep plugging!

rong

i wonder if escher did any artwork pertaining to this . . .

also - interesting points, cram. 
"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Dimocritus

Quote from: Cramulus on November 10, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Is the target audience only people that have realized that they are puppets? Or is awareness that you're a puppet something they're supposed to gain from reading the passage? If it's the latter, the headline should shift to draw in attention and provoke thought, rather than pidgeonholing the audience.

I wrote it more for people that have already realized that they are a "puppet," and that it's not as simple as just "cutting the strings;" it's more complicated than that. I suppose it's for people in the intermediary phase of "awareness," which I suppose sort of pigeon-holes the potential audience from the jump. Hrmm... Not sure what I should do about that...

Quote from: Cramulus on November 10, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Just doing blind tests on people on the internet, we've had some experience that the second person (ie addressing the reader as You) tends to raise people's defenses. Nobody thinks that they are a puppet, just like nobody thinks that they are evil. In their own heads, there are perfect justifications for every behavior. If you come off a sermon going "Do you realize you're a sheep?" it puts people on the defensive. Or it sounds condescending. Both angles are not very persuasive.

This is a very good point. At first, I sort of wanted it to be a little confrontational, but now I am beginning to think otherwise. Although, if my target audience is the "intermediary" between unaware and aware, then is this really a problem? If so, any suggestions or ideas on an alternative headline? Maybe something like: "You may be a puppet." or "Think you might be a puppet?" Not too sure...

Quote from: Cramulus on November 10, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Layout wise, I'd suggest putting a graphic of some sort above the text, or otherwise putting some more weight on the headline so that it balances with the lower image.

The lower image frame might look a little bit better if it was the same width as the text frame above it.

For the headline, grab something more eye catching. I'm told that fonts with serifs are hard to read for headlines. There are a ton of great fonts at http://www.1001freefonts.com/ - I use a lot of these in posters.

BTW - I really enjoy the font Artistamp, which does a great job of looking like it was hastily stamped there. Is good for marginalia and APPROVED notes.

Yeah, the images mainly took a backseat to the text as I was doing this, and were added mostly as an afterthought, but I do want to change it up a bit, and all of the above is very helpful.

Quote from: Cramulus on November 10, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Great poster! keep plugging!

Thanks for the support  :thumb:

Quote from: rong on November 10, 2009, 07:36:51 PM
i wonder if escher did any artwork pertaining to this . . .

also - interesting points, cram. 

That's a really good idea! Definitely worth looking into.
Episkopos of GABCab ~ "caecus plumbum caecus"