Mexico: FAIL thread

[Cain]

Last night in the nation's capitol, they hanged a person from a bridge (Huixquilucan), right in front of the main hospital of the city up-north (De los Angeles).

Also, when i was interviewing high-school students a month and a half ago, some girl told me about how near the school, they found a body chopped up in pieces, thrown in a terrain in between houses. (this is at the east of the city, La Paz)

No citation cz the news are too busy talking about budget cuts and new laws for billboards. 

Priorities, and all that.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Are billboards such a big deal there?

[Cain]

Either that or the cartels are using them to recruit.

"Are you unemployed?  Down on your luck?  Looking to earn some extra pesos?  Handy with a gun?

Then we may have just the opening for you!

Call 1-800-LOS-ZETAS for more information.  Don't delay!"

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Either that or the cartels are using them to recruit.

"Are you unemployed?  Down on your luck?  Looking to earn some extra pesos?  Handy with a gun?

Then we may have just the opening for you!

Call 1-800-LOS-ZETAS for more information.  Don't delay!"

I never thought of that.  Damn.  Now that you say that I should pay more attention to the ones that change, who knows what may be flashing on and off quickly.  We have one that changes really fast near the house and I never realized I knew what it even said till the kids started talking about it.

[Cain]

Ironically, that seems to work as a real phone number with my Skype add-on.  No, I am not going to call it.

In other news

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18608410?source=most_viewed

U.S. federal agents allegedly allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to traffic several tons of cocaine into the United States in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to court documents filed in a U.S. federal court.

The allegations are part of the defense of Vicente Zambada-Niebla, who was extradited to the United States to face drug-trafficking charges in Chicago. He is also a top lieutenant of drug kingpin Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman and the son of Ismael "Mayo" Zambada-Garcia, believed to be the brains behind the Sinaloa cartel.

Please note:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126890838

Last month, gunmen killed six federal police officers and left a message painted on a public wall: This is what happens to officers "who ally with Chapo and all those mother- - - - - - - who support him. Signed — La Linea."

NPR spoke to a former Juarez city police commander who confirms the story.

"The intention of the army is to try and get rid of the Juarez cartel, so that Chapo's cartel is the strongest," says the ex-commander, who asked that his name not be used because of death threats he says he received in Juarez.

He was on the force when the Sinaloa cartel came to town, and he says his entire police department worked for the local cartel. He is now seeking asylum in El Paso.

"When the army arrived in March 2008, we thought, damn, now all this violence is going to end," he says. "The number of deaths did drop for about three weeks. But during those three weeks, Chapo's people contacted the army and figured out what they were doing and how much money they wanted. They started to pay them off, and the Sinaloans just kept working."

Testimony: Military-Sinaloa Cartel Ties

Collusion between the Mexican army and the Sinaloa mafia in Juarez is further corroborated by sworn testimony in U.S. federal court, where two top Sinaloa traffickers went on trial in El Paso in March.

One of the government's main witnesses was a convicted former Juarez police captain, Manuel Fierro-Mendez, who went on to work for the Sinaloans. He testified that he regularly provided intelligence on La Linea to an army captain, after which the military would go arrest people and seize weapons and vehicles.

In an exchange with lead prosecutor Russell Leachman, Fierro-Mendez described the need to have control over local, state and federal agencies "and have free rein to continue trafficking drugs without any problem."

Later in the day, Leachman asked Fierro-Mendez: "And was the influence with the military an important factor?"

"Very important," he replied.

U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agent Matthew Sandberg testified at the trial, confirming the contact between Fierro-Mendez and a Mexican army officer, code-named Pantera, the Panther.

NPR Looks At Arrest Data

In an effort to get a more precise picture of who the authorities are pursuing in Juarez, an NPR News investigation analyzed thousands of news releases posted on the website of Mexico's federal attorney general's office, the Procuraduria General de la Republica. The news releases document every arrest of a cartel member charged with organized crime, weapons or drug offenses.

Juarez is the murder capital of Mexico, and now the most patrolled and policed city in Mexico. The NPR analysis found that since federal forces arrived in the state of Chihuahua in March 2008, there have been 104 arrests involving suspects identified as cartel members. Of those arrests, 88 were affiliated with the Juarez cartel, and 16 with Sinaloa.

[Adios]

Ironically, that seems to work as a real phone number with my Skype add-on.  No, I am not going to call it.

In other news

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18608410?source=most_viewed

U.S. federal agents allegedly allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to traffic several tons of cocaine into the United States in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to court documents filed in a U.S. federal court.

The allegations are part of the defense of Vicente Zambada-Niebla, who was extradited to the United States to face drug-trafficking charges in Chicago. He is also a top lieutenant of drug kingpin Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman and the son of Ismael "Mayo" Zambada-Garcia, believed to be the brains behind the Sinaloa cartel.

Please note:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126890838

Last month, gunmen killed six federal police officers and left a message painted on a public wall: This is what happens to officers "who ally with Chapo and all those mother- - - - - - - who support him. Signed — La Linea."

NPR spoke to a former Juarez city police commander who confirms the story.

"The intention of the army is to try and get rid of the Juarez cartel, so that Chapo's cartel is the strongest," says the ex-commander, who asked that his name not be used because of death threats he says he received in Juarez.

He was on the force when the Sinaloa cartel came to town, and he says his entire police department worked for the local cartel. He is now seeking asylum in El Paso.

"When the army arrived in March 2008, we thought, damn, now all this violence is going to end," he says. "The number of deaths did drop for about three weeks. But during those three weeks, Chapo's people contacted the army and figured out what they were doing and how much money they wanted. They started to pay them off, and the Sinaloans just kept working."

Testimony: Military-Sinaloa Cartel Ties

Collusion between the Mexican army and the Sinaloa mafia in Juarez is further corroborated by sworn testimony in U.S. federal court, where two top Sinaloa traffickers went on trial in El Paso in March.

One of the government's main witnesses was a convicted former Juarez police captain, Manuel Fierro-Mendez, who went on to work for the Sinaloans. He testified that he regularly provided intelligence on La Linea to an army captain, after which the military would go arrest people and seize weapons and vehicles.

In an exchange with lead prosecutor Russell Leachman, Fierro-Mendez described the need to have control over local, state and federal agencies "and have free rein to continue trafficking drugs without any problem."

Later in the day, Leachman asked Fierro-Mendez: "And was the influence with the military an important factor?"

"Very important," he replied.

U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agent Matthew Sandberg testified at the trial, confirming the contact between Fierro-Mendez and a Mexican army officer, code-named Pantera, the Panther.

NPR Looks At Arrest Data

In an effort to get a more precise picture of who the authorities are pursuing in Juarez, an NPR News investigation analyzed thousands of news releases posted on the website of Mexico's federal attorney general's office, the Procuraduria General de la Republica. The news releases document every arrest of a cartel member charged with organized crime, weapons or drug offenses.

Juarez is the murder capital of Mexico, and now the most patrolled and policed city in Mexico. The NPR analysis found that since federal forces arrived in the state of Chihuahua in March 2008, there have been 104 arrests involving suspects identified as cartel members. Of those arrests, 88 were affiliated with the Juarez cartel, and 16 with Sinaloa.

This reminds me of Prohibition when we had it.

[Cain]

It makes me wonder if there is any way of legally investing in the Sinaloa Cartel.  Can we float them on the Nasdaq or something?

[Adios]

It makes me wonder if there is any way of legally investing in the Sinaloa Cartel.  Can we float them on the Nasdaq or something?

Interesting concept.

[Cain]

They're going to win, with two governments backing them.  Might as well make some money off it.  I'm sure there are points in the Sinaloa business cycle where they become a little cash-strappped...allow investors to buy into the Cartel and you'll ensure more funds for those times.

[Adios]

They're going to win, with two governments backing them.  Might as well make some money off it.  I'm sure there are points in the Sinaloa business cycle where they become a little cash-strappped...allow investors to buy into the Cartel and you'll ensure more funds for those times.

I agree, S&P would rate it AAA+ I am sure of it.

[The Johnny]

I give it 10 years until a Cartel pulls all the strings of the government. Not saying it would be for better or for worse, just interesting how things would configure...

Say, the powers that be are normally "old money" and what one would call dynasty-like, but most Cartel leaders were poor at one time...

What implications would there be with the existance of a narco-government? Would it entail foreign intervention? Would narco even want to govern, or are they just comftable pulling the strings like transnational companies?

[Adios]

I give it 10 years until a Cartel pulls all the strings of the government. Not saying it would be for better or for worse, just interesting how things would configure...

Say, the powers that be are normally "old money" and what one would call dynasty-like, but most Cartel leaders were poor at one time...

What implications would there be with the existance of a narco-government? Would it entail foreign intervention? Would narco even want to govern, or are they just comftable pulling the strings like transnational companies?

By nature they will have to govern. They would probably even go as far as to redraw the separate states to indicate cartel territories.

[Cain]

I give it 10 years until a Cartel pulls all the strings of the government. Not saying it would be for better or for worse, just interesting how things would configure...

Say, the powers that be are normally "old money" and what one would call dynasty-like, but most Cartel leaders were poor at one time...

What implications would there be with the existance of a narco-government? Would it entail foreign intervention? Would narco even want to govern, or are they just comftable pulling the strings like transnational companies?

I think, so long as their business wont be interrupted, they'll prefer to operate in a zone of weak governance.

I think everyone learnt from the lesson of Pablo Escobar.  Except Pablo himself, obviously, though he may have had a short time to reflect on his choices before US Special Forces shot him in the head.

[Adios]

I suppose it would be an Anarchy, you think?

[Cain]

Not really.

Governance costs money, it is something you have to invest in.  The Sinaloa Cartel are businessmen, first and foremost and they care more for profits than taking on additional burdens.

I don't doubt they'd use strategic bribes and assassinations in order to create a suitable business environment, but they'd want to leave that to someone else.

The ideal world for any cartel leader would be one where every other cartel is killed off and the government returns to busting low-level competitors and users.  The Drug War is actually a massive failure for everyone involved.