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So, the economist and time agree: It's about fucking time to LEGALISE IT

Started by Lies, November 15, 2009, 06:13:22 AM

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Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 07:59:12 AM
I am strongly against the legalization of recreational marijuana use.

not because I think it's bad or anything, but because when I'm in a financial pinch I can always count on being able to weasel a few grand for myself out of the illegality of cannabis products.

This, and also because if the shit was legal, most stoners would have no idea that the system was broken.
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Lyris_Nymphetamine

it should be legal but it never will be. even with not a single death attributed directly to marijuana and the many potentials for medical use, the governments of most countries will never legalise it as they cannot tax it.
but i still lol knowing that all this anti-marijuana paranoia started from someone who was afraid of hemp taking over the paper industry.

The Johnny

Quote from: Lyris_Nymphetamine on November 15, 2009, 08:02:53 AM
...the governments of most countries will never legalise it as they cannot tax it.

wtf are you talking about? legalization = taxation... because of regulation.

It would not only be a source of income for the government, but also would get rid of the drug cartels.

i wish someone knew how much moeny drug cartels make per year compared to, lets say, Wal Mart or Microsoft. Sometimes i think that the "war on drugs" is kind of the "republican vs. democrat" 2 man con sort of thing.
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Lyris_Nymphetamine

Quote from: JohNyx on November 15, 2009, 08:08:00 AM
Quote from: Lyris_Nymphetamine on November 15, 2009, 08:02:53 AM
...the governments of most countries will never legalise it as they cannot tax it.

wtf are you talking about? legalization = taxation... because of regulation.

It would not only be a source of income for the government, but also would get rid of the drug cartels.

i wish someone knew how much moeny drug cartels make per year compared to, lets say, Wal Mart or Microsoft. Sometimes i think that the "war on drugs" is kind of the "republican vs. democrat" 2 man con sort of thing.
depends if its legalized AND regulated like tabacco.
legalization of weed like it is now would be untaxable. Legalization and regulation is when it'd be taxed.

Yeah they should legalize it because it'd make it alot safer - i mean i've had bad batches before and had really bad experiences on it. It's not too fun.

P3nT4gR4m

If they legalise pot I'll be forced to steal shit or kill people or something. Have to break the law as a matter of principle. Prohibition keeps it nice and victimless

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Lyris_Nymphetamine

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 15, 2009, 09:36:16 AM
If they legalise pot I'll be forced to steal shit or kill people or something. Have to break the law as a matter of principle. Prohibition keeps it nice and victimless
you haven't seen scarface have you? he was one principled man.

Cain

Quote from: JohNyx on November 15, 2009, 08:08:00 AMi wish someone knew how much moeny drug cartels make per year compared to, lets say, Wal Mart or Microsoft. Sometimes i think that the "war on drugs" is kind of the "republican vs. democrat" 2 man con sort of thing.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/MEXICAN+DRUG+CARTELS+SAID+TO+EARN+AS+MUCH+AS+US$40+BILLION.-a0209242572

Between $25-$40 billion per annum, according to this.  Personally, if we're looking at all the cartels, I would place it somewhat higher.  You have to remember groups like Los Zetas also engage in kidnapping, contract killing and human trafficking, and have earnings coming in from places as far away as Italy.  Not to mention the money-laundering that goes on at places like Wachovia and (allegedly) Goldman Sachs.

Cain

Also, wow, I am amazingly out of the loop on the Cartel situation.  I only just found out that the Beltrán-Leyva brothers flipped from the Sinaloa Cartel and hooked up with the Gulf Cartel by way of Los Zetas.  And took most of Los Negros, the Sinaloan paramilitary unit formed to fight against Los Zetas, with them.  And then whacked the son of the Sinaloa Cartel leader Joaquin Guzmán, for good measure.

East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Lyris_Nymphetamine on November 15, 2009, 08:35:42 AM
Yeah they should legalize it because it'd make it alot safer - i mean i've had bad batches before and had really bad experiences on it. It's not too fun.

wut?

you had a bad weed trip?

:lulz:

have you ever actually smoked pot before? there's no such thing as a "bad batch".
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Salty

Quote from: JohNyx on November 15, 2009, 08:08:00 AM
Quote from: Lyris_Nymphetamine on November 15, 2009, 08:02:53 AM
...the governments of most countries will never legalise it as they cannot tax it.

wtf are you talking about? legalization = taxation... because of regulation.

It would not only be a source of income for the government, but also would get rid of the drug cartels.

i wish someone knew how much moeny drug cartels make per year compared to, lets say, Wal Mart or Microsoft. Sometimes i think that the "war on drugs" is kind of the "republican vs. democrat" 2 man con sort of thing.

That shit grows everywhere. Or rather, it can. And while they might be able to track and find the source of high-quality strains, there would be so much backyard, ditch and amatuer bathtub/closet shit they won't have time to comb through those who have a script/licenses vs those who don't. And they don't like that. Plus, the govt. already gets money from the well-targeted busts they do, not to mention the stabilization that large piece of the black market does for our economy. It's literally money you can grow that just pumps into the economy.
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Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Lyris_Nymphetamine on November 15, 2009, 08:35:42 AM
Yeah they should legalize it because it'd make it alot safer - i mean i've had bad batches before and had really bad experiences on it. It's not too fun.

wut?

you had a bad weed trip?

:lulz:

have you ever actually smoked pot before? there's no such thing as a "bad batch".

it is when the cunts spray it with fibreglass and other unknown powders to give the impression of moar crystally buds. And sugar as well, toffee throat bad, fibreglass will kill.

legalisation would stop shit like this going down yanno.

East Coast Hustle

funny...they legalized automobiles and yet, Ford still sold the Pinto for years.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Cain

Reason #1 why drugs will never get legalized:

It's a carefully controlled ogliopoly.  Laws allow for idiots like you (the dear readers of this thread) to be busted, while other, Very Important and Special People do not get busted because they are friends of other Special People (read: SIS, CIA, ASIS, etc) and pass them along bits of gossip and shares of the profit, the latter of which are then diverted into off-the-book operations which are used to Safetify Democracy and Protecticate Freedom, which we all agree is Regrettable But Necessary.

If just anyone could go into the drugs business, profits would drop from both from legalisation itself, and also the increase in competitors.  And then puppies would cry, because puppies love freedom and you are undermining it with your selfish and insolent attitude towards the drug trade. 

Pro-legalization means pro-upsetting puppies.

(Note: none of this applies if you have your own guerrilla army, like FARC. But you don't.  So it does).

East Coast Hustle

also, if inhaling a little bit of fiberglass fumes was deadly, there wouldn't be any boatbuilders left.

also also, what kind of moron would fall for a trick like that? who can't tell the difference between some kind bud and goddamned fiberglass?

and how much of a markup would you have to add to your bag of pot to cover the cost of having a fiberglass spraying machine? those aren't cheap, you know.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Salty

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 04:32:23 PM
funny...they legalized automobiles and yet, Ford still sold the Pinto for years.

True. But then, growing cars has always provided a challenge.
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