So, the economist and time agree: It's about fucking time to LEGALISE IT

[Lies]

I think that's a little extreme Rog.

You've never seen me on acid.

Fair point.

But then that would just make me think, maybe acid should be illegal for you.

[AFK]

And in the end, all of your arguments still seem to boil down to "For The Children" an argument based on appeal to emotion. I may be missing some key comments where you showed the harm to adults, or some other valid reason for prohibition, but thus far it appears that you're willing to impose prohibition to stop some small percentage of kids from smoking pot. Such a position offends me from a political, philosophical and logical perspective.

Fair enough.  It offends me from a philosophical and logical perspective that one would take a position that risks children for the freedom to engage in recreational drug use.  Sorry, but that just seems very petty to me.  But I suppose I'm biased because I have kids and you are biased because of your experiences.  

As for your Law of Fives comment, thats flat out bullshit. The closest thing to an answer that I have seen is that you think everyone who gets stopped with a personal amount of pot needs to be sent to counseling...

Nope.  That's what you think you read.  Thus the LO5 comment.  I suggested that one thing to consider is for an adult caught with a personal amount to go through an assessment, which is decidedly different than counseling.  Because the assessment is what determines the level of care needed, if any at all.  And there are different kinds of assessments.  It could be face to face with a counselor, or a simple pencil and paper survey instrument.  Now, I'd be more in favor of a fee or fine structure to precede the assessment.  So maybe the first offense is a $100 fine, the second $200, THEN an assessment.  But I'm just coming up with these off the cuff and the fee structure is more in the realm of law enforcement.  

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think that's a little extreme Rog.

You've never seen me on acid.

Fair point.

But then that would just make me think, maybe acid should be illegal for you.

That'll do nicely.  My limit is cactus, and I really can't be trusted with that.  In fact, anything that lowers my already-abysmal inhibitions should be kept away from me, by at least a 2 state radius.

Seriously.  I go fucking nuts on hallucinagenics.  If it weren't for the religious angle, I'd never touch the filthy things.

[Lies]

And in the end, all of your arguments still seem to boil down to "For The Children" an argument based on appeal to emotion. I may be missing some key comments where you showed the harm to adults, or some other valid reason for prohibition, but thus far it appears that you're willing to impose prohibition to stop some small percentage of kids from smoking pot. Such a position offends me from a political, philosophical and logical perspective.

Fair enough.  It offends me from a philosophical and logical perspective that one would take a position that risks children for the freedom to engage in recreational drug use.  Sorry, but that just seems very petty to me.  But I suppose I'm biased because I have kids and you are biased because of your experiences.  

As for your Law of Fives comment, thats flat out bullshit. The closest thing to an answer that I have seen is that you think everyone who gets stopped with a personal amount of pot needs to be sent to counseling...

Nope.  That's what you think you read.  Thus the LO5 comment.  I suggested that one thing to consider is for an adult caught with a personal amount to go through an assessment, which is decidedly different than counseling.  Because the assessment is what determines the level of care needed, if any at all.  And there are different kinds of assessments.  It could be face to face with a counselor, or a simple pencil and paper survey instrument.  Now, I'd be more in favor of a fee or fine structure to precede the assessment.  So maybe the first offense is a $100 fine, the second $200, THEN an assessment.  But I'm just coming up with these off the cuff and the fee structure is more in the realm of law enforcement.  

I like what you're saying here, to a degree.

I think if its obvious drugs are causing you more problems in life then you should be given treatment.
I don't think people should be fined just because they were caught with an illegal drug, UNLESS they were underage perhaps though.
Adults should have the ability to put whatever they want into their body, but if its obvious that its causing them problems or that they're going to be a nuisance to society, they should be put through mental assessments and get treatment.

[Triple Zero]

Why would I need a citation to support that?  Do you have anything at all to suggest that the increase would be 1%?  why not .1% or 10%?  It is a completely out of thin air number used for rhetorical purposes.  it is not, in any way, meant to be an accurate prediction.  Are you really so stone blind to your biases that you can't see that?  Or are you claiming that every user automatically has a problem?

I think your problem is your terminology.  The number is accurate in as much as if there was a 1% increase in use the amount of new users would be 190,000.  That number comes from 1% multiplied by the total population of 15-19 year olds.  So it is accurate.  But the point of that isn't to say that there definitely will be a 1% increase, but what it means if there is a 1% increase. 

so why 1%?

i can't believe this, regardless of whether i'm for or against legalization, this argument is completely nonsensical.

you say it would be gambling with the lives of 190.000 kids. why 190k? because it's 1% of the total population of 15-19 year olds.

if the use increased by 3%, then you'd obviously have 570,000.  So you're issue really isn't with the accuracy, it is with whether or not it would come to be if marijuana were legalized. 

and if the use increased by 0.001% it'd be gambling with the lives of 190 kids, so what's the point?

that there's kids in the USA? well played, but I think anyone would concede that.

[AFK]

Because the Drug Czar said so.  Fuck drugs, I'm onto puns now.  That is all. 

[Triple Zero]

okay.

[AFK]

Look, I'm just moving on.  I'm spent on this one. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Maybe it's just a Portland culture thing, but I've never met a pot dealer who sold anything besides pot. In fact, all the dealers I've ever known have been kind of your typical girl-or-guy-next-door type. They grow their own or buy from a grower and it's all pretty straightforward... no guns, no gangs, no hard drugs.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Maybe it's just a Portland culture thing, but I've never met a pot dealer who sold anything besides pot. In fact, all the dealers I've ever known have been kind of your typical girl-or-guy-next-door type. They grow their own or buy from a grower and it's all pretty straightforward... no guns, no gangs, no hard drugs.

We have some dealers like that but a lot of others who will get you anything from guns to hot motors. Just down the street I got a single mum who punts a couple of wraps to pay for her own usage. But it runs all the way up to organisations who will jump on every marketing opportunity that government inc offers them. That's the reason I'm in favour of legalising everything. I got into that scene in my teens and if you take away the prohibition then these guys will have less cashflow and I like the idea of some of the bastards I met without two sticks to rub together. Lot of nice girls might get to stay that way, lot of legitimate business owners might find their overheads dropping to managable size... etc

[East Coast Hustle]

Maybe it's just a Portland culture thing, but I've never met a pot dealer who sold anything besides pot. In fact, all the dealers I've ever known have been kind of your typical girl-or-guy-next-door type. They grow their own or buy from a grower and it's all pretty straightforward... no guns, no gangs, no hard drugs.

that is actually unusual, though it makes sense given what little I've learned so far about Portland's cultural quirks.

[Cain]

I'm pretty sure this reached the stage of duelling doxa about ten pages ago.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Maybe it's just a Portland culture thing, but I've never met a pot dealer who sold anything besides pot. In fact, all the dealers I've ever known have been kind of your typical girl-or-guy-next-door type. They grow their own or buy from a grower and it's all pretty straightforward... no guns, no gangs, no hard drugs.

that is actually unusual, though it makes sense given what little I've learned so far about Portland's cultural quirks.

It's probably different out past 82nd, but I don't go out there.

[trippinprincezz13]

Maybe it's just a Portland culture thing, but I've never met a pot dealer who sold anything besides pot. In fact, all the dealers I've ever known have been kind of your typical girl-or-guy-next-door type. They grow their own or buy from a grower and it's all pretty straightforward... no guns, no gangs, no hard drugs.

A lot of the time that's what I see (that is, only dealing in pot) or a combination of pot and coke, as that seems to be another favored drug of choice around here (not for me personally, but that's irrelevant). But also alot of times, while those people may deal primarily in pot, they're also the ones that will let us know that "my friend has/I also happened to pick up" some X, shrooms, Oxys, Percs, etc. "if you're interested/know anyone that wants some".

So although they may deal primarily in pot, depending on the person and their preferences, they'll pick something else up and spread the word that they or one of their connects have/can get, this or that.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Maybe it's just a Portland culture thing, but I've never met a pot dealer who sold anything besides pot. In fact, all the dealers I've ever known have been kind of your typical girl-or-guy-next-door type. They grow their own or buy from a grower and it's all pretty straightforward... no guns, no gangs, no hard drugs.

A lot of the time that's what I see (that is, only dealing in pot) or a combination of pot and coke, as that seems to be another favored drug of choice around here (not for me personally, but that's irrelevant). But also alot of times, while those people may deal primarily in pot, they're also the ones that will let us know that "my friend has/I also happened to pick up" some X, shrooms, Oxys, Percs, etc. "if you're interested/know anyone that wants some".

So although they may deal primarily in pot, depending on the person and their preferences, they'll pick something else up and spread the word that they or one of their connects have/can get, this or that.

Around here we have different kinds of dealers depending on the area. Some dealers are primarily or exclusively pot, others are more "diversified". Generally the diversified ones are on campus or in one of the many ghettos around here. The others are primarily in urban, suburban or rural areas.

At least here in central Ohio that seems to be the trend.