Look at the world emptily, and it will gladly return the favor.
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:43:19 pmQuote from: LMNO, PhD on December 17, 2010, 04:39:43 pmQuote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:36:16 pmYes, but they can make themselves that leader.What part of "they want a leader to follow" are you not understanding?I do understand, but I still maintain they can follow themselves.Then you still don't understand.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 17, 2010, 04:39:43 pmQuote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:36:16 pmYes, but they can make themselves that leader.What part of "they want a leader to follow" are you not understanding?I do understand, but I still maintain they can follow themselves.
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:36:16 pmYes, but they can make themselves that leader.What part of "they want a leader to follow" are you not understanding?
Yes, but they can make themselves that leader.
And Cuddlefish (dimo, right?), I'm not so sure we need the religious/church framework. I certainly don't want it.
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:36:16 pmAnd Cuddlefish (dimo, right?), I'm not so sure we need the religious/church framework. I certainly don't want it.Here's the thing, I'm speaking in general terms. I don't need it either (or do I? Do you, really?), but I'm aware that I am an exception. The thing is, in general, most people are incapable of determining their own morals (among other things) without an institution to tell them how to "get shit dione." (Hell, most people can't make up their mind about their own personal lives without a Jeebus holding their hand). Not their fault, and maybe they're not aware of it, but it is the case. Think of meta-religions as a step up from a tricycle (revealed religion) to a regular bicycle with training wheels (meta-religion). Once people can get the feel for it, you can take off the training wheels ("moral-self sufficiency" and individual and collective "self-assigned purpose"). And, hell, we work on that hard enough, we might be able to ride the cosmic unicycle (perfect balance).
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 17, 2010, 04:46:26 pmQuote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:43:19 pmQuote from: LMNO, PhD on December 17, 2010, 04:39:43 pmQuote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:36:16 pmYes, but they can make themselves that leader.What part of "they want a leader to follow" are you not understanding?I do understand, but I still maintain they can follow themselves.Then you still don't understand. Okay. Then explain it.
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:57:39 pmQuote from: Charley Brown on December 17, 2010, 04:46:26 pmQuote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:43:19 pmQuote from: LMNO, PhD on December 17, 2010, 04:39:43 pmQuote from: Epimetheus on December 17, 2010, 04:36:16 pmYes, but they can make themselves that leader.What part of "they want a leader to follow" are you not understanding?I do understand, but I still maintain they can follow themselves.Then you still don't understand. Okay. Then explain it.Most people demand a leader. Any leader. They will refuse to be the one having to make the decisions. They will, however, be happy to bitch about the decisions that others have made. People have forgotten how to accept responsibility and how to think for themselves.
The thing is, whether it's natural or imprinted doesn't matter. It's there. The goal would be to replace the imprint with a better one, making gradual changes over time. This is something that's been a learned behavior since the dawn of man, it will take a long time to get that spot out.
Okay, people behave that way, but is that from nature or nurture? It's probably reinforced by our biology, but not created by it.
For a real-world example, go to any group or organization that claims they don't have "leaders" and that "everyone is equal". After the smoke and mirrors go away, the real leaders are obvious.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 17, 2010, 05:28:16 pmFor a real-world example, go to any group or organization that claims they don't have "leaders" and that "everyone is equal". After the smoke and mirrors go away, the real leaders are obvious.Could it be true? Is LMNO the secret leader of the Illuminati?!?!?
I can't believe it took you that long to figure it out.