CHANGE!

[Cain]

I'm pretty sure small airplanes and political deaths have always been in fashion.

I think it's just suicide, but they do it to fuck with us.  Like Total Information Awareness using Illuminati symbology.

[Triple Zero]

oh that's nothing.

we gonna get GPS in our cars soon. and no, not the navigational type. the "we gonna tax you for the amount of kilometers you drive and where you drive them" type

all ISPs have to save all user's internet header data for the duration of 1.5 years (EU recommendation is 6 months, our gvmt gave NO reason whatsoever why they tripled that duration)

oh yeah, and one other thing our tiny 17 million people country is really BIG in, is the number of phone taps.

we got more phone taps in absolute numbers than the USA.

not per person, just more phone taps on 17M people here than you guys get on your 300M.

that this "accidentally" includes confidential lawyer-client discussions goes without saying.

- triple zero,
tiny country, bigger brother.

[Chief Uwachiquen]

I really wish I was surprised by that article. I wonder how far out of hands things will get before things get reasonable again. Or if they won't.  I keep hoping for shit to get less scary but I know It's not going to any time soon.

[Requia ☣]

oh that's nothing.

we gonna get GPS in our cars soon. and no, not the navigational type. the "we gonna tax you for the amount of kilometers you drive and where you drive them" type

all ISPs have to save all user's internet header data for the duration of 1.5 years (EU recommendation is 6 months, our gvmt gave NO reason whatsoever why they tripled that duration)

oh yeah, and one other thing our tiny 17 million people country is really BIG in, is the number of phone taps.

we got more phone taps in absolute numbers than the USA.

not per person, just more phone taps on 17M people here than you guys get on your 300M.

that this "accidentally" includes confidential lawyer-client discussions goes without saying.

- triple zero,
tiny country, bigger brother.

You know, as fucked as my country is, I can always get a laugh out of realizing that we're less fucked than the rest of the world.

Then I remember that means I have nowhere to run to.

[Triple Zero]

my only consolation is that they're generally incompetent as fuck ... but it's not much of a consolation.

for some reason, the Dutch, while pretty advanced in some sense, are complete retards when it comes to privacy. "nothing to hide" is the most often used excuse. it comes a bit with the national motto "just be yourself/normal, that's crazy enough". which on the one hand is the same thing we say to the pinealists, and that's one of the meanings. the other meaning that creeps in there is when it mutates into "be normal like everybody else, why would you need to stand out from the crowd?", which is of course partly what KYFMS means, but it also means that nobody got anything to hide yeah?

fortunately there are some groups popping up here and there, such as bitsoffreedom.nl that are taking a stance for digital freedom. but it remains to be seen what they can actually do. although they bring it up for discussion in the mainstream discourse, which is already a good thing.

[Reginald Ret]

Please some one give me a good response to people telling me i don't need privacy.
My usual response is not useable on friends... wait, the friend that bitched aboot that most decided that he is no longer my friend, i can punch him now.

[Elder Iptuous]

Completely misses the point, actually, and verges on "you only need privacy if you have something to hide" territory.

*pic o Reagan*

TGRR,
did reagan actually use that line? 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Completely misses the point, actually, and verges on "you only need privacy if you have something to hide" territory.

*pic o Reagan*

TGRR,
did reagan actually use that line? 

On the subject of drug testing:  "If you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about."  1982, IIRC.

[Z³]

If my pre-21'st century lore is correct, this wouldn't happen back in the days of Ma Bell.
She didn't need to outsource oppression to any government agency, and the feds had to install their own wiretaps at the source.

[Triple Zero]

Please some one give me a good response to people telling me i don't need privacy.
My usual response is not useable on friends... wait, the friend that bitched aboot that most decided that he is no longer my friend, i can punch him now.

ask who decides whether you have anything to hide or not.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Please some one give me a good response to people telling me i don't need privacy.

Tell them to give you their house keys.

[Reginald Ret]

Please some one give me a good response to people telling me i don't need privacy.

Tell them to give you their house keys.

heh, i had that friend's house key. but since i kissed a girl he apparantly liked he got pissed and asked it back.
i wish i bothered to store his ip, i could have entered his router and have some fun.

that would be mean.
i would never do something like that.
no really.

[Triple Zero]

you also need a few other tricks besides his IP to enter his router. that being, the password and an XSS flaw in one of the router admin pages. you need the latter because usually the router admin panel only allows access from the local network. oh and, you don't actually really need his IP, though it helps.

[Cain]

Regret

http://ask.metafilter.com/39312/Response-to-If-youve-done-nothing-wrong-you-have-nothing-to-worry-about

[Requia ☣]

Please some one give me a good response to people telling me i don't need privacy.
My usual response is not useable on friends... wait, the friend that bitched aboot that most decided that he is no longer my friend, i can punch him now.

You are a felon.  In fact, you've probably committed more felonies than you can count on both hands.  The best part is, you have no idea what the crimes you committed were.  Its impossible to know.  There are 20000 federal laws, another 10000 federal regulations, state laws, county laws, and city laws.  Some of those laws reference the laws in other countries.  The *only* defense you have is that the people who know what a significant minority of those laws are can't just look into every aspect of your life.

One of the more fantastic examples: Recording electronic communication, like say #discord, without the express permission of somebody in the conversation is a crime in my state (and under federal law the harshest state law on eavesdropping counts if multiple states are involved).

So since my software logs everything on IRC by default, every time you guys talk while I'm not paying attention I commit a crime.

This stuff gets used too, if the government gets its knickers in a twist about a person.  Badly written anti hacking laws were used to put a woman in jail for giving a fake name on myspace.

So everyone has plenty to hide, even if they don't know it.