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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 pm »
If we want other people to follow us then we have to be leading the way to somewhere they want to go. Or appear to be, etc, etc.


This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

I imagine this site with 10 times as many people with 10 times as many posts, and I wonder how the community could maintain its current identity. I guess it wouldn't, and perhaps that isn't even a terrible thing. I dunno, just thinking aloud really.


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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2009, 05:15:47 pm »
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

No.

Why do you have such a low opinion of us?
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2009, 05:17:24 pm »
Someone is thinking it's still 2005, ITT.

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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2009, 05:20:35 pm »
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

No.

Why do you have such a low opinion of us?

Maybe I'm suffering from false memory, but it's the sort of thing I expect to eventually happen in discussions about this sort of thing.

In retrospect, it happens more often when the discussion is about using PD.com, specifically, as a hub for Bigger And Weirder activities, which isn't necessarily what this is about.

Sorry to be a downer and put a damper on the conversation. My bad. :sad:

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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2009, 05:21:06 pm »
Someone is thinking it's still 2005, ITT.

I'm all about evangelism...hell, it's why I post on 23ae (so newcomers will have an alternative to Loveshade's heresies).

It's just that we'll have to batten down the hatches for the inevitable influx of people who don't quite understand the concept.  In fact, I am going against my nature, and coming up with better responses than "die in a burn ward" for the arrival of pinealists.
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2009, 05:22:37 pm »
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

No.

Why do you have such a low opinion of us?

Maybe I'm suffering from false memory, but it's the sort of thing I expect to eventually happen in discussions about this sort of thing.

In retrospect, it happens more often when the discussion is about using PD.com, specifically, as a hub for Bigger And Weirder activities, which isn't necessarily what this is about.

Sorry to be a downer and put a damper on the conversation. My bad. :sad:

The only time I ever got pissy about it was the whole Big Boards fiasco (and yes, I know you had nothing to do with that assbaggery).  It wasn't what was happening that was the problem, it was the motivation behind it.  Everything went all Pink for a moment.
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 pm »
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2009, 05:28:01 pm »
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?

If people follow me, they're gonna run out of gas before we get anywhere!
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2009, 05:28:01 pm »
23ae is the tip of the iceberg. In many ways, it's preaching to the choir. People who read 23ae already know about Discordia. In the long term, 23ae could be a great springboard from "I've read part of the PD" to "This sounds like fun, let's apply some of this craziness in meatspace".

For the purposes of this thread, I'm more interested in fresh audiences -- people who have never heard of Discordia.


I'd like to invoke the sentiment vexati0n expressed here: http://disc0rd.com/node/31

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We've got distaste for the Status Quo down to a science around here, and most of us aren't lacking in a general nonspecific desire to change things whether on a large scale or just locally. Many of us have taken to the streets in furtherance of various GASMs, so I don't think we lack motivation, dedication, or determination.
 
But we are, generally speaking, easily jaded and thoroughly cynical. We tend to think larger goals are either unacheivable or pointless. Either the task is too hard or it's too inconsequential; it's either impossible to change the world or such change is meaningless because it is corruptible.
 
This is complete horse shit, even if it is true. Of course any change we can make is corruptible. That's why we're HERE, because an idea that started out promising and new has become an entrenched, corrupted, stale, sour, and rotten System. That's why ten or ten thousand years from now, someone will be around to get rid of OUR stupid ideas.
 
The Discordian Community itself has become corrupt. Maybe it hasn't been mass-marketed or pre-packaged yet, but we have been sold out for some time on the idea that the ultimate goal of a philosophical revolution should be a static Utopia where everything is perfect.
 
History is not driven by periods of calm stability, but by tumultuous sequences of upheaval and cultural wreckage. It is only after the established order is demolished that a better order can be established. Discordians, I fear, are sometimes worried about what would happen if we DID ultimately bring down the entire System. We are concerned about what we would do after that. But it isn't our job to put the pieces back together, it's our job to tear them apart.
 
Discordia isn't about being there, it's about GETTING there. That's the function of the Discordian Society.

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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2009, 05:30:54 pm »
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".

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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2009, 05:33:05 pm »
Well, shit.  I went to 23ae because it seems that it's where a lot of new people find Discordianism.

Should we start poaching on the Myspacers?  We'll need air freshener, and a staff of jizz moppers, of course.
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2009, 05:34:22 pm »
I've begun evangelizing these last few weeks at Capitol Grilling, which is full of burned out, disillusioned politics junkies.  They've finally realized that it's turtles all the way down, so they are ripe for harvest.
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2009, 05:34:48 pm »
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".


Okay.  What's a discordian line of thought?
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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2009, 05:37:22 pm »
I've begun evangelizing these last few weeks at Capitol Grilling, which is full of burned out, disillusioned politics junkies.  They've finally realized that it's turtles all the way down, so they are ripe for harvest.

it is where a lot of new people find discordianism. But how do they find 23ae?

there aren't a lot of leads out there which point to us

we're a really obscure joke


I just want to lower our obscurity


I've begun evangelizing these last few weeks at Capitol Grilling, which is full of burned out, disillusioned politics junkies.  They've finally realized that it's turtles all the way down, so they are ripe for harvest.

there we go!

talking to people directly is an effective, albeit effort intensive way to Find the Others.

could there be materials which make it easier?


If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".


Okay.  What's a discordian line of thought?

I think what he's trying to say is that we want more discordians in general, but we don't want to make ourselves the Authorities on the matter. Let's not get into the "what's a discordian" shtick.

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Re: Discordian Evangelism
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2009, 05:39:55 pm »
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The Discordian Community itself has become corrupt. Maybe it hasn't been mass-marketed or pre-packaged yet, but we have been sold out for some time on the idea that the ultimate goal of a philosophical revolution should be a static Utopia where everything is perfect.

Zing!

I'm in favor of fucking around and breaking shit just to see what happens.



If exposing new audiences to Discordianism is the goal, we should definitely, absolutely look towards grabbing media attention with our antics. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster garnered a huge amount of attention when their campaign to lampoon the everloving shit out of Intelligent Design caught media attention; that's how I first heard about it. I'm not sure if they USED that attention to any great end after that, but still.