Magniwork generator

[Hangshai]

So, I dont know if anyone has heard of the zero-point energy generator or whatever its called.  Its some magnetic generator that is "SUPPOSED" (big quotes) to generate more energy than it needs to run itself, providing free energy or whatever.  Anyway, its called Magniwork, and I have the pdf, its right here...

   http://rapidshare.de/files/48898391/lycotree.pdf.html

Someone mentioned that they were an engineer somewhere, I tried to find the post so I could just emai the link, but then I thought there are probably more people who may be interested.  I would just like someone with some knowledge of electrical systems to give it a look and tell me if its bullshit.  Sounds like bullshit, but, you never know, I guess...

[Triple Zero]

Ah yeah that thing, it would totally revolutionize human technology and culture as well as solve all our energy problems for the generations to come. Unfortunately the project is being silenced by the radical arm of the eco-lobby as they just made a deal with the manufacturers of fairy-powered reactors.

[Template]

1. High Weirdness board.
2. Can't read it right now, but I presume it assumes you can get energy from permanent magnets without consuming them.
Oh, permanent-magnet motors, where were we before people started believing in you?
3. I think zero-point energy is just used as a buzzword, if it's just a permanent magnet motor.

Fairy-powered engines.

[Hangshai]

Thats what this thing is.  And with my VERY limited knowledge of these things, it seems it just uses magnets to spin the generator around.  You just need a spark to turn it over, and you're golden.  So, it would work, then?

[Template]

Permanent magnet motors end up either being god bearings or good brakes. They don't work for the purpose their designers expect them to.

[Reginald Ret]

magnetism = cool and weird and may someday give us awesomest tech
this = perpetual motion machine

[Hangshai]

So I guess solar panels and batteries are still the closest you can get to free electricity.  That technology seems to be getting a little cheaper at least, and more efficient.

[Bu🤠ns]

Also, I read somewhere that zero-point energy was impossible because it was the lowest point and so there would be no energy to use.  Otherwise violate the laws of thermodynamics or something.

[Iason Ouabache]

Permanent magnet motors end up either being god bearings or good brakes. They don't work for the purpose their designers expect them to.

TITCM. Magnet motors are interesting but you can't do anything with them other than looking cool. As soon as you try to do any work with them friction/heat brings the thing to a grinding halt. There's no such thing as a free lunch (except for solar power and that still sucks).

[Hangshai]

I think the technology is available to wire up your house with solar panels though, right?  I've heard they can generate enough electricity to make your meter run backwards at some points.  You would probably need batteries to store the electricity generated form the panels, and Im still thinking it would be in the neighborhood of about 10 grand or more, for a 2-3 bedroom house.

[Template]

I seem to have heard closer to twenty or thirty thousand dollars.
Also, you don't need batteries if you're staying on the grid, i.e., YOU HAVE A METER.  You just sell your extra energy to the power company...

[Elder Iptuous]

Protip:
Home Power Magazine.

for practical up to date info on all your home power generation questions.  Solar, hydro, geothermal, etc.

[LMNO]

"Zero point" generators are crap.  EOT.

[Kai]

"Zero point" generators are crap.  EOT.

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[LMNO]

What I gather from the technobabble is that it's magnet/flywheel based, with the magnets pulsing on/off.


Basically,

Battery -> Variable Magnet -> Flywheel -> Battery.

The theory is that since the magnet only pulses half the time, and the flywheel is always turning, then it is creating more energy than it is losing.

But that's not the case.  Conservation of Energy wins.


 IIR, Mythbusters kicked this one in the balls.