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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2010, 12:57:52 am »
Allow me to make some assumptions:

This couch-shaped thing is not a naturally occuring thing; that is, it's not a meteorite that has one horizontal surface, and two perpendicular surfaces parallel to the first, or anything.  It's a constructed amalgamation of fabric, wood, and metal springs.

If so, then it was constructed with a pattern in mind.  Because of this, I would say it's still a couch.

If it's some sort of weird naturally-occuring thing, then I would say it's "couch-like", or (more specifically), "it has some properties that are oddly couch-like".

Well yeah, when I had that thought I was also thinking of a more HHGTTG-like universe, hence the Chesterfield.
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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2010, 02:54:09 am »
^nice

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   :?

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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2010, 03:44:34 am »
^nice

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   :?

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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2010, 04:26:22 pm »
Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   :?

Wow.  Just when I thought the thread couldn't get any stupider...

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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2010, 04:46:58 pm »
^nice

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   :?

The mountain you climb is not the mountain you talk about climbing.
The salt you dissolve is not the salt you speak of dissolving.
Separate the map and the territory and then you will find that there is a mountain you're climbing in your head AND a mountain in reality... there's salt and water in your head... AND there's the salt and water in reality.

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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2010, 05:26:13 pm »
Splitting hairs, ITT.

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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2010, 05:35:26 pm »
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Re: Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2010, 11:41:10 pm »
Water solubility is literally a physical property of certain objects. It's essentially a lock that's opened by the key of water. Water exists in the world and so do these substances. When these real world objects come into contact with real world water, they dissolve. And this occurs regardless of human existence. Stairs on the other hand, require humans to invent them and use them. There's no such thing as "the intrinsic properties of stairs" because "stair" is a concept. If we decided to call them something else or to use them for something else, "stair" ceases to "exist". Water solubility on the other hand ain't goin' nowhere.
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Lets try it on an even simpler level:

1) There is a minimum energy/mass things can have, everything can be measured in a multiple of this minimum.

2) Objects at this size, or close to it, don't have an exact position or velocity, so they look like waves in most experiments.

3) If you try to measure the location, they act more like particles, just to fuck with you, but the velocity gets more uncertain, also just to fuck with you.

Conclusion: God hates physicists.

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