Affordances, Properties and the Knowability of Reality

[Triple Zero]

Allow me to make some assumptions:

This couch-shaped thing is not a naturally occuring thing; that is, it's not a meteorite that has one horizontal surface, and two perpendicular surfaces parallel to the first, or anything.  It's a constructed amalgamation of fabric, wood, and metal springs.

If so, then it was constructed with a pattern in mind.  Because of this, I would say it's still a couch.

If it's some sort of weird naturally-occuring thing, then I would say it's "couch-like", or (more specifically), "it has some properties that are oddly couch-like".

Well yeah, when I had that thought I was also thinking of a more HHGTTG-like universe, hence the Chesterfield.

[Brotep]

^nice

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   

[Kai]

^nice

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   

You really need to learn the difference between intrinsic and extrinsic. Please.

[LMNO]

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   

Wow.  Just when I thought the thread couldn't get any stupider...

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

^nice

Because the "physical relation" occurs in the brain of the observer.  Not in the object.

So like, if you climb something, it's just in your head that you're climbing something, whereas if you dissolve salt in water, that's out in the world?   

The mountain you climb is not the mountain you talk about climbing.
The salt you dissolve is not the salt you speak of dissolving.
Separate the map and the territory and then you will find that there is a mountain you're climbing in your head AND a mountain in reality... there's salt and water in your head... AND there's the salt and water in reality.

Related, but not the same.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Splitting hairs, ITT.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Splitting hairs, ITT.

WITH A FUCKING LASER!

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

Splitting hairs, ITT.

WITH A FUCKING LASER!

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[Lord Quantum]

Water solubility is literally a physical property of certain objects. It's essentially a lock that's opened by the key of water. Water exists in the world and so do these substances. When these real world objects come into contact with real world water, they dissolve. And this occurs regardless of human existence. Stairs on the other hand, require humans to invent them and use them. There's no such thing as "the intrinsic properties of stairs" because "stair" is a concept. If we decided to call them something else or to use them for something else, "stair" ceases to "exist". Water solubility on the other hand ain't goin' nowhere.