Corporations now have the right to spend money directly to influence elections

[Captain Utopia]

FP, with enought spending, FUCKEM Inc can buy up every commercial spot in the media.  Remember, "equal time" was struck down last year.  Most people would never be aware of the connection.

Do you agree that sooner or later the effects of many-to-many communication will outweigh the effects of one-to-many traditional broadcast communication?

Because if so, then the above scenario doesn't seem so worrisome, but I have a feeling we might disagree on that premise.

Plus, please note all the people who still believe the "Death Panel" lie.  It has been repeatedly been shown to be false, but they still believe.  "The Facts" no longer matter in politics, if they ever did.

It's easy to complain about those people who believe "Death Panels", it's harder to engage them and change some minds while also being prepared to change your own.  Direct trolling doesn't seem to work,  but thankfully a lot of these people are within walking distance.

[Requia ☣]

The Death Panel lie is an effect of many-to-many as it is.

[LMNO]

Well, at least I can go to bed tonight relieved in knowing that US politics won't be affected in the slightest now that corporations spend as much as they like in support of a candidate.

[Captain Utopia]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

You don't know that they know.  Eternal vigilance and all that.  I don't have much sympathy for people getting screwed over by corporations if they sit back and expect a perfect self-correcting democratic system to be handed to them upon a silver platter.

If enough people don't continue to keep tabs on those who pull the strings of power, then everybody will get screwed.  I can't think of any time when this hasn't, or will not be true.

Ah.  An idealist.  You should have said.

Hang on, I'm an idealist because I don't believe that any set of laws, or any form of Governance is going to be sufficient to serve to the best of its abilities, a populace which isn't prepared to get its hands dirty and keep tabs!?  

[The Good Reverend Roger]

All this bickering is of no use.

SCOTUS has decided, so we are about to get more of what we deserve.

FP and Requia should be elated.  It's a Brave New World™!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

You don't know that they know.  Eternal vigilance and all that.  I don't have much sympathy for people getting screwed over by corporations if they sit back and expect a perfect self-correcting democratic system to be handed to them upon a silver platter.

If enough people don't continue to keep tabs on those who pull the strings of power, then everybody will get screwed.  I can't think of any time when this hasn't, or will not be true.

Ah.  An idealist.  You should have said.

Hang on, I'm an idealist because I don't believe that any set of laws, or any form of Governance is going to be sufficient to serve to the best of its abilities, a populace which isn't prepared to get its hands dirty and keep tabs!?  

How are they supposed to keep tabs if the information they receive is monopolized?

But again, we're about to get all the Democracy™ we can stand.  The Free Market™ will fix everything.

[Captain Utopia]

The Death Panel lie is an effect of many-to-many as it is.

The one-to-many adverts produced by the unions to combat that lie seemingly didn't change many minds.

[Jenne]

The Death Panel lie is an effect of many-to-many as it is.

The one-to-many adverts produced by the unions to combat that lie seemingly didn't change many minds.

Not all ads are given equal airtime.

[Jenne]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

The law would require a 'paid for by fuckem' at the end of every ad.

But not everyone knows what Fuckem does or who they stand for, etc.  And the caring only cares later.

[Eater of Clowns]

Frankly I'm disgusted with all of your reactions to this.  For our nation's history, corporations have been abused and tossed aside without treating them like the people they are.  Listen to yourself, talking like corporations have some kind of consipracy against the common man.  You know, that's what some people say about the Jews and, worse, international bankers.  The corporate world has a long history of practicing American values at their finest without expectation of reward or accolates.  Their hard work, their leadership, their righteousness is that to which we owe our thanks.

And you're all calling them less than human, you're all telling us that their voices don't matter.  Well as some of you have already said, in our history the voices of women, black people, homosexuals, and the deeply religious have been silenced.  We can look back on that now and know it was wrong to do that, just like in the future we can look back on this thread and see how corporatist and intolerant we're all being.

Even the Supreme Court can recognize that corporations are people.  I just wish the people were as forward thinking.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

The law would require a 'paid for by fuckem' at the end of every ad.

But not everyone knows what Fuckem does or who they stand for, etc.  And the caring only cares later.

I can't wait to see the ads Phillip Morris plays.

Or Blacktwater (or whatever their name is now).

[Jenne]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

You don't know that they know.  Eternal vigilance and all that.  I don't have much sympathy for people getting screwed over by corporations if they sit back and expect a perfect self-correcting democratic system to be handed to them upon a silver platter.

If enough people don't continue to keep tabs on those who pull the strings of power, then everybody will get screwed.  I can't think of any time when this hasn't, or will not be true.

You're speaking of things that don't exist and  never will along with Horrible Troofs^TM.  Um, so back five squares and roll again or lose your turn.

[Jenne]

Frankly I'm disgusted with all of your reactions to this.  For our nation's history, corporations have been abused and tossed aside without treating them like the people they are.  Listen to yourself, talking like corporations have some kind of consipracy against the common man.  You know, that's what some people say about the Jews and, worse, international bankers.  The corporate world has a long history of practicing American values at their finest without expectation of reward or accolates.  Their hard work, their leadership, their righteousness is that to which we owe our thanks.

And you're all calling them less than human, you're all telling us that their voices don't matter.  Well as some of you have already said, in our history the voices of women, black people, homosexuals, and the deeply religious have been silenced.  We can look back on that now and know it was wrong to do that, just like in the future we can look back on this thread and see how corporatist and intolerant we're all being.

Even the Supreme Court can recognize that corporations are people.  I just wish the people were as forward thinking.

My  hat's off to you, Dear Sir.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

You don't know that they know.  Eternal vigilance and all that.  I don't have much sympathy for people getting screwed over by corporations if they sit back and expect a perfect self-correcting democratic system to be handed to them upon a silver platter.

If enough people don't continue to keep tabs on those who pull the strings of power, then everybody will get screwed.  I can't think of any time when this hasn't, or will not be true.

You're speaking of things that don't exist and  never will along with Horrible Troofs^TM.  Um, so back five squares and roll again or lose your turn.

Because eternal vigilance is more and more likely as people have to work more and more to get by, and schools receive less and less funding.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

[Hangshai]

Keith Olbermann had a pretty good rant as his special comment last night.  I never watch his show, but I saw this linked on a news site I watch.  Anyway, its pretty good, I guess, for being on tv or whatever, he says some pretty good stuff.  Kinda sounds a little like roger.

heres the link, the vids are on the bottom.

http://rawstory.com/2010/01/olbermanns-special-comment-freedom-speech-destroyed/