What Do You Think the Tea Party Movement is About?

[Doktor Howl]

If you want to argue for 'No government in my government' kind of libertarianism, there isn't a better, more eloquent representative than Ron Paul.

Well, except for that annual $400,000,000 in pork he sends home.

But that's different.

Of course, he is after all a politician

Yes, and it's silly and self-defeating to believe in any of them, for any reason.

I mean, other than "I believe this politician is going to fuck me up the ass and call me Susan".

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

If you want to argue for 'No government in my government' kind of libertarianism, there isn't a better, more eloquent representative than Ron Paul.

Well, except for that annual $400,000,000 in pork he sends home.

But that's different.

Of course, he is after all a politician

Yes, and it's silly and self-defeating to believe in any of them, for any reason.

I mean, other than "I believe this politician is going to fuck me up the ass and call me Susan".

No, Ron would put all the smudgy people in prison where they could do that to each other (cause ya know, they're responsible for so much crime!)

[Cain]

Oh those fleet-footed blacks!

[LMNO]

A privately-run prison, of course.  Because they'd do it so much better.

[Doktor Howl]

If you want to argue for 'No government in my government' kind of libertarianism, there isn't a better, more eloquent representative than Ron Paul.

Well, except for that annual $400,000,000 in pork he sends home.

But that's different.

Of course, he is after all a politician

Yes, and it's silly and self-defeating to believe in any of them, for any reason.

I mean, other than "I believe this politician is going to fuck me up the ass and call me Susan".

No, Ron would put all the smudgy people in prison where they could do that to each other (cause ya know, they're responsible for so much crime!)

And welfare queens driving caddillacs, which he admitedly never saw, but knew existed.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

If you want to argue for 'No government in my government' kind of libertarianism, there isn't a better, more eloquent representative than Ron Paul.

Well, except for that annual $400,000,000 in pork he sends home.

But that's different.

Of course, he is after all a politician

Yes, and it's silly and self-defeating to believe in any of them, for any reason.

I mean, other than "I believe this politician is going to fuck me up the ass and call me Susan".

No, Ron would put all the smudgy people in prison where they could do that to each other (cause ya know, they're responsible for so much crime!)

And welfare queens driving caddillacs, which he admitedly never saw, but knew existed.

Good Politicians never let facts get in the way of a great soundbyte!

[Cain]

http://exiledonline.com/royal-tea-partiers-the-heroic-billionaires-struggle-to-overthrow-the-tyranny-of-democracy/

While Tea Party movement followers ran around Nashville last week dressed up in their Paul Revere period costumes, blathering about their heroic struggle against Obama's Islamosocialist tyranny, the right-wing elite that nurtures them, and their paid libertarian ideologues, have been openly advocating the abolition of America's democracy in favor of a free-market junta, because, as they say over and over, voters cannot be trusted to rule themselves.

Here, for example, is how one popular libertarian pundit summed up the attitude: "To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right." It's a quote so common among the Republican and libertarian vanguard that it's almost irrelevant which one of them said it — I'll get to this guy later, but suffice to know that he's a tenured professor, and sitting pretty in the same billionaire-funded world of think tanks, institutes, and PR machines that launched the Tea Party.

That's the dangerously authoritarian part of the Tea Party that we've forgotten about lately.

It's evident even in Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo's shocking "Jim Crow speech" that kicked off last week's Tea Party Convention — when the out-of-the-closet xenophobe unveiled his Big Idea on how to preserve America's freedom, he wasn't just advocating more bigotry, but also a plan to roll back America's overly-free democracy, replacing it with a rule of elites that uses "civics literary tests" as the justification for denying voting rights to tens of millions of "wrong" Americans, like minorities and people with funny accents.

That's what made the whole period-costume fetish party so surreal: the sight of all these people re-enacting the Founding Fathers revolutionary fight for democracy, while at the same time cheering on a plan that overthrows American democracy and restricts power to a vanguard elite — which presumably includes the kinds of draft-dodging rednecks and bipolar government-parasites like Tancredo.*Most of the gullible rank-and-file fools at the convention who snickered gleefully at Tancredo's "I have a dream ... of denying democratic rights to poor black kids's families and brown kids' families..." speech didn't understand that in all likelihood, they too would have their "irrational" voting rights canceled, because their masters despise them. And they don't even hide it. As incredible as it seems, these Republican and "libertarian" ideologues have been arguing that the real problem in America's democracy is that too many people have voting rights, leaving America at the mercy of "irrational" or dangerous voters who elect the wrong people. They have argued that the only way to save America is by overthrowing this democracy and replacing it with an enlightened, free-market dictatorship.

One reason you don't hear much about this is because most of them zipped up their mouths by the middle of 2008, when there was a real fear of a populist uprising and a new New Deal. But the Republican right-wing elite wasn't always so shy; right up through the financial collapse, many boasted as publicly as possible about their dream of overthrowing the democracy and replacing it with a free-market dictatorship.

There's more at the link

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

"THE TEA BAGGERS=INDEPENDENT THINKERS TRUE PATRIOTS, AND BELIEVERS IN THE CONSTITUTION. THE DEMS., WILL CALL ANYONE NAMES THAT DO NOT THINK AS THEY DO, OR BOW DOWN TO ODUMINUS!!!"

wat am oduminus?
   /


"We the TEA PEOPLE are defending our democratic republic from the cretins!
No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity!
Does Barrack Hussein Obama belong with another group of elitists? UHC=socialism, GM takeover=fascism, what in the hell is next?
NAME ME A SUCCESS STORY FROM THIS LIST!
Which of these glittering jewels of humanity listed was a success and adorned his people with prosperity and greatness!!?
* * *
The Communist Club:
Vladimir Lenin
Alexey Rykov
Vyacheslav Molotov
Joseph Stalin
Georgy Malenkov
Nikolay Bulganin
Nikita Khrushchev
Alexei Kosygin
Nikolai Tikhonov
Nikolai Ryzhkov
Valentin Pavlov
Ivan Silayev
Yeltsin
Gaidar
Chernomyrdin
Kiriyenko
Primakov
Stepashin
Kasyanov
Khristenko
Fradkov
Zubkov
Putin
Also:
* * *
Saloth Sar, [better known as Pol Pot]
Fidel Castro
Mao Zedong
Nicolae Ceauşescu
Josip Broz Tito
Hugo Chavez
Che Guevara"



"The dumbocrat liberals are coming out of the woodwork as we approach midterm elections. The stench of fear from these morons would knock a fly off a garbage truck.
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Tea party people must be doing something right in order to elicit this much hatred for American's rights to speak and believe as they see fit.
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Where is all the huggy/kissy/feel good/tolerance attitude these buttheads profess to believe in? Hmmm? Hmmm? Hmmm?"



This shit is better than YouTube comments.

[Cain]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/man_charged_for_stockpiling_weapons_was_tea_partie.php

The Massachusetts man charged this week with stockpiling weapons after saying he feared an imminent "Armageddon" appears to have been active in the Tea Party movement, and saw Sarah Palin, who he said is on a "righteous 'Mission from God,'" as the only figure capable of averting the destruction of society.

If Sarah Palin is the only person capable of averting the destruction of society, I'd rather have the destruction take place.

[Elder Iptuous]

A political thread without any argument?!
well, since somebody has to volunteer to get bagged on, i'll bite....

i must admit that i really haven't followed the tea party stuff after the election as i became disenchanted after the election primaries.
but some points that i think are valid to the conversation:

-tea party and the RP campaign were pretty much one and the same initially.  after the primaries were over and the tea parties started making news and were not able to be ignored, the neocon machine went into coopt mode and were very effective.  even though there is still the contingent of the RP people present that want more than slogans, they are drowned out so they don't have the exposure that the Palin crowd does.
personally, i think those RP groupies still fighting for a place at the table in the tea party crowd should admit that their game was taken over and should distance themselves from it completely and then denounce it as the neocon trickery that it now is.

-regarding RP's 'pork' that he earmarks for his district, his answer is that the earmarks do not add any money to the budget whatsoever.  they simply allocate some portion of it for spending in some district or another.  his reasoning is that if the constituents in his district are going to be taxed (unreasonably in his estimation), then it is his job to get those funds back to his district as best he can.  (i haven't seen what the numbers are in regards to the amount his district pays out in federal taxes v. what he brings back in....)  Furthermore, he does this under protest, since the budget and appropriations bills that he puts these earmarks in, he votes against.
I'm curious what the argument against this is?  or is it just an easy target for some yuks?

Iptuous,
golf ball collector at the driving range

[Cramulus]

[Doktor Howl]

-regarding RP's 'pork' that he earmarks for his district, his answer is that the earmarks do not add any money to the budget whatsoever. 

Sure.  They all say that.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, the Teabaggers are a prime example of Stang's Rule:  By the time you've heard of something, it's a product.

[Jenne]

[Elder Iptuous]

-regarding RP's 'pork' that he earmarks for his district, his answer is that the earmarks do not add any money to the budget whatsoever. 

Sure.  They all say that.

perhaps i should have been more clear....  he was referring to earmarks in general, not his specifically.
Earmarks do not affect the size of the budget.  Some of his supporters criticize this activity saying that it indirectly supports the status quo.  his argument seems pragmatic to me, though...

Re Stang's Rule, your right, but it's a moot point since everything is a product from the moment it is, um.... produced?  what is the implication in the rule?