Pot/drugs: An all-encompassing explanation.

[tokinGLX]

The funniest thing:  TokinGwhatever was posting in this thread, and now he's viewing it, with no message posted.

I HAVE A GREAT IDEA.

UM.

WHERE ARE MY CHEETOHS?
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oh, i feel so special that somebody is watching my every move here.
here, i will give you a better play by play on things-
was posting, got a phone call, went downstairs, let the cat out, checked messages on youtube, checked posts on another forums, decided to see if there was more posts in this thread, found out there was, read them, read your new post about what ive been up to, decided to reply instead to this new post, started replying to your post, clicked preview....saw the message "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.," reviewed those three new replies, clicked post.

[BabylonHoruv]

I think that drugs, although they aren't going to make you more creative, can help in being creative in different ways than you are used to.  They can certainly help with looking at everything in a different way.

I as about to say that, kinda.

The thing is, if you have no talent or creativity to begin with, you are not going to get it taking drugs.

And while you may get some creative inspiration, maybe even writing/playing/whatever while high, you are going to need to edit the fuck out of that shit when you get sober.

Absolutely.  It is also a good idea to document as much as possible if you plan on using drugs as a creative catalyst because pretty much all of them fuck up your short term memory.  Document the stuff that seems profound and the other stuff too, because your judgement as to what is profound is definitely impaired.

[tokinGLX]

that reminds me, i have to let the cat in now.
and take another hit.
of weed.

[Bella]

I think that drugs, although they aren't going to make you more creative, can help in being creative in different ways than you are used to.  They can certainly help with looking at everything in a different way.

I as about to say that, kinda.

The thing is, if you have no talent or creativity to begin with, you are not going to get it taking drugs.

And while you may get some creative inspiration, maybe even writing/playing/whatever while high, you are going to need to edit the fuck out of that shit when you get sober.

Absolutely. It is also a good idea to document as much as possible if you plan on using drugs as a creative catalyst because pretty much all of them fuck up your short term memory. Document the stuff that seems profound and the other stuff too, because your judgement as to what is profound is definitely impaired.

No kidding. Pot messes up my short term memory like crazy, but so did the drug store prescription pain meds. At least the pot doesn't make me jittery and mean and send me on crying jags like the other stuff did.

[Cramulus]

Ecstasy was originally a medical drug, if i recall
tho they found it let out too much happy so wasnt good outside controlled settings.
cant remember how it got banned, probably stupid teenagers or political fear of

MDMA is relatively safe if taken in responsible dosages and frequencies. Like cocaine, it was originally used medicinally, and burns itself out of your system pretty quick. Studies being done in nordic countries (where they can actually do drug research without their results being compromised by political forces), are finding it works wonders in treating PSTD and other stress related disorders.

Ecstasy, on the other hand, is basically MDMA with a lot of "filler" in it, and you don't really know what that shit is. A lot of e is made in a trailer by rednecks with no chem training. Again, it's usually pretty safe. When you see an MRI full of black holes, you're probably looking at somebody who uses E in the 3-5 times a week range. If you look at the group that does it once a month, their MRI looks identical to a normal brain. This is one of those facts that the FDA does not want you to know.

[Richter]

I especially liked the bit about people who use drugs to "Forget their problems".  Psychological addiction in a nutshell.

Any drug, I tell people what I tell myself; "Can you relax the same without it as with?".  If yes, then you might be OK with your intoxicants.  Have fun.

If no, or even uncertain, take a step back.  Think it over, see how you feel going without, etc.  (Or cave, and admit you can only control yourself by putting things in.  I'm a control fiend, so I want to make sure I can bend the brain with only the house brand tools.)

[NotPublished]

oh, i feel so special that somebody is watching my every move here.
here, i will give you a better play by play on things-
was posting, got a phone call, went downstairs, let the cat out, checked messages on youtube, checked posts on another forums, decided to see if there was more posts in this thread, found out there was, read them, read your new post about what ive been up to, decided to reply instead to this new post, started replying to your post, clicked preview....saw the message "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.," reviewed those three new replies, clicked post.

Why did this leave me sick in the stomach???

[BabylonHoruv]

Ecstasy was originally a medical drug, if i recall
tho they found it let out too much happy so wasnt good outside controlled settings.
cant remember how it got banned, probably stupid teenagers or political fear of

MDMA is relatively safe if taken in responsible dosages and frequencies. Like cocaine, it was originally used medicinally, and burns itself out of your system pretty quick. Studies being done in nordic countries (where they can actually do drug research without their results being compromised by political forces), are finding it works wonders in treating PSTD and other stress related disorders.

Ecstasy, on the other hand, is basically MDMA with a lot of "filler" in it, and you don't really know what that shit is. A lot of e is made in a trailer by rednecks with no chem training. Again, it's usually pretty safe. When you see an MRI full of black holes, you're probably looking at somebody who uses E in the 3-5 times a week range. If you look at the group that does it once a month, their MRI looks identical to a normal brain. This is one of those facts that the FDA does not want you to know.

Yeah,  MDMA is expensive and difficult to make, Methamphetemine is easy and cheap, so when possible they subsitute.

[Cramulus]

Chef: I just want to tell you that drugs are bad.

Stan: We know, we know, that’s what everybody says.

Chef: Right, but do you know why they’re bad?

Kyle (like a robot): Because they’re an addictive solution to a greater problem causing disease of both body and mind with consequences far outweighing their supposed benefits.

Chef: And do you have any idea what that means?

Kyle: No.

Cartman: I know. Drugs are bad because if you do drugs you’re a hippy, and hippies suck.

Chef: Look children: this is all I’m gonna say about drugs. Stay away from them. There’s a time and a place for everything and it’s called college.

[tokinGLX]

Ecstasy, on the other hand, is basically MDMA with a lot of "filler" in it, and you don't really know what that shit is. A lot of e is made in a trailer by rednecks with no chem training. Again, it's usually pretty safe.

absolutely correct.  i do not condone the use of e, but people will use it. those who do must be wary of the conditions in which it was made and understand that 9 times out of 10 it was not in the most sanitary of conditions.  

When you see an MRI full of black holes, you're probably looking at somebody who uses E in the 3-5 times a week range. If you look at the group that does it once a month, their MRI looks identical to a normal brain. This is one of those facts that the FDA does not want you to know.

well, that is one of those "facts" that isnt actually a fact.  the study that you are referencing has been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity3.shtml

Stephen Kish's article in "Pharmacology, Biochemistry, and Behaviour" published in April, 2002 investigates the reliability of the PET brain scanning showing damage. He concludes that the studies completed to date include serious methodological flaws, huge variations between individuals tested, use of non-serotonin specific tests, lack of test-retest reliability data, and other invalidating assumptions about the types of tests used. He says that, based on the brain scan research to date, "it cannot be assumed that ecstasy exposure [causes] a chronic serotonin deficiency condition."

As one PET researcher described to us, the Ricaurte team didn't have the necessary skills required to competently analyse the data. They were undertrained in the technically demanding field of PET Scanning and their results reflect both a lack of ability and a failure to notice when their results were coming back wrong.

like the substance or not, there is no reason to continue spreading lies about it.

[Kai]

Hey, POTHEAD, thanks for ruining the joke. Fucker.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I like doing drugs, I just don't have the time for them. They require so much commitment.

Also, back when I was a kid, Ecstasy used to just the street name for MDMA. People cutting it with meth, they're doin' it wrong. Kids today, I swear.

[Jasper]

I like doing drugs, I just don't have the time for them. They require so much commitment.

Also, back when I was a kid, Ecstasy used to just the street name for MDMA. People cutting it with meth, they're doin' it wrong. Kids today, I swear.

I blame the internet.

[Cramulus]

When you see an MRI full of black holes, you're probably looking at somebody who uses E in the 3-5 times a week range. If you look at the group that does it once a month, their MRI looks identical to a normal brain. This is one of those facts that the FDA does not want you to know.

well, that is one of those "facts" that isnt actually a fact.  the study that you are referencing has been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity3.shtml

Stephen Kish's article in "Pharmacology, Biochemistry, and Behaviour" published in April, 2002 investigates the reliability of the PET brain scanning showing damage. He concludes that the studies completed to date include serious methodological flaws, huge variations between individuals tested, use of non-serotonin specific tests, lack of test-retest reliability data, and other invalidating assumptions about the types of tests used. He says that, based on the brain scan research to date, "it cannot be assumed that ecstasy exposure [causes] a chronic serotonin deficiency condition."

As one PET researcher described to us, the Ricaurte team didn't have the necessary skills required to competently analyse the data. They were undertrained in the technically demanding field of PET Scanning and their results reflect both a lack of ability and a failure to notice when their results were coming back wrong.

like the substance or not, there is no reason to continue spreading lies about it.

The McCann and Ricaurte study is only one study to have examined the degenerative effects of MDMA use. And none of the controversy surrounding that article contradicts what I said - if you do ecstasy 3-5 times a week, you're probably the type which is prone to staying up all night dancing and doing weird drugs, and you probably do have an unusually high degree of seratonin toxicity.

I thought that my post was in support of e - if you do it somewhat responsibly, there is little chance of long term side effects. Quit spreading lies that I am lying.

[Doktor Howl]

oh, i feel so special that somebody is watching my every move here.

PEEDEE, NOW BIG BROTHER.

Naw, I was checking a couple of "guest" IPs, and noticed you posting, then not posting.

here, i will give you a better play by play on things-
was posting, got a phone call, went downstairs, let the cat out, checked messages on youtube, checked posts on another forums, decided to see if there was more posts in this thread, found out there was, read them, read your new post about what ive been up to, decided to reply instead to this new post, started replying to your post, clicked preview....saw the message "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.," reviewed those three new replies, clicked post.

Relax.  I was just yanking your chain.