Discuss libertarianism for the Nth time

[Maria]

I think libertarianism would be very nice.  Somewhere else.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think libertarianism would be very nice.  Somewhere else.

Yes, this.

Somewhere close enough that we can point and laugh, but far enough away that we don't get any on us.

[Iason Ouabache]

I think libertarianism would be very nice.  Somewhere else.

How about Somalia? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think libertarianism would be very nice.  Somewhere else.

How about Somalia? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0

[Reginald Ret]

I agree with Iptuous.
Government uses violence.
Violence is bad.
Humans react to violence by either joining the ones doing the violating or corrupting the fuck out of everything.
Bipeds are ornery gits.

[Doktor Howl]

Violence is bad.

Unproven assertion.

[Reginald Ret]

Violence is bad.

Unproven assertion.

It is based on:
I am human.
I don't want to get hurt.
humans are equal until proven monkey.  <- only unproven assertion.

[Doktor Howl]

Violence is bad.

Unproven assertion.

It is based on:
I am human.
I don't want to get hurt.
humans are equal until proven monkey.  <- only unproven assertion.

So when a jackass gathers up an army, it's bad to oppose him.

Okay.

[Jasper]

Violence is hard, but nothing worth doing is ever easy.

[Reginald Ret]

Violence is bad.

Unproven assertion.

It is based on:
I am human.
I don't want to get hurt.
humans are equal until proven monkey.  <- only unproven assertion.

So when a jackass gathers up an army, it's bad to oppose him.

Okay.

woah woah woah i think i haven't made myself clear.
violence is bad, but receiving violence is worse. on account of you or yours getting hurt.

Let's say violence gets you 10 evil points and letting loved ones get hurt gets you 10 violence points, so letting someone use violence against loved ones gives you a 20 point increase in evil while killing the meanies only gives a 10 point increase.

[Doktor Howl]

Violence is bad.

Unproven assertion.

It is based on:
I am human.
I don't want to get hurt.
humans are equal until proven monkey.  <- only unproven assertion.

So when a jackass gathers up an army, it's bad to oppose him.

Okay.

woah woah woah i think i haven't made myself clear.
violence is bad, but receiving violence is worse. on account of you or yours getting hurt.

Let's say violence gets you 10 evil points and letting loved ones get hurt gets you 10 violence points, so letting someone use violence against loved ones gives you a 20 point increase in evil while killing the meanies only gives a 10 point increase.

I don't see how the last case gives you any increase.

[East Coast Hustle]

Violence is bad.

Unproven assertion.

It is based on:
I am human.
I don't want to get hurt.
humans are equal until proven monkey.  <- only unproven assertion.

So when a jackass gathers up an army, it's bad to oppose him.

Okay.

woah woah woah i think i haven't made myself clear.
violence is bad, but receiving violence is worse. on account of you or yours getting hurt.

Let's say violence gets you 10 evil points and letting loved ones get hurt gets you 10 violence points, so letting someone use violence against loved ones gives you a 20 point increase in evil while killing the meanies only gives a 10 point increase.

"evil points"?



aside from "evil" being a completely subjective term generally misused to mean "counter to my personal interests", that's a great concept.

[Jasper]

I like the idea of evil points, just not in the context of ethics.

[Template]

I like the idea of evil points, just not in the context of ethics.

I'm guessing evil points express a facet of Bayes theorem.

It's ethical to do what you think is right, yes?  (Moreover to do your honest best to know what is right...)  Evil points help determine it, though you're looking for "do right" as "do least evil".

[East Coast Hustle]

I like the idea of evil points, just not in the context of ethics.

Like if it were a competition?

I can get behind that.