Yet another healthcare topic

[Jenne]

It's very much the fact that the Democrats are pansy-asses and the Reich Wingers are much better at organizing their mobs to great media effect.

However, the shitty fact that the LOOKS of what's happening matters almost as much if not more in the public opinion than what is ACTUALLY happening with these bills and with Congress in general makes the mice of men even mousier.  The backroom deals as the Republicans are calling them are laughable...the concessions made by Obama's camp are even more ridiculous.

But I would much RATHER see this weak-kneed attempt to revise our current debacle of a system happen as it's better than nothing.  And nothing is about what we were about to get until this recent push happened.

[Cain]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0310/Rahm_vindicated.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html

Evidence that this whole charade was carefully staged kabuki theatre for the DC watching masses.

[Doktor Howl]

Last time I checked, the Democrats had a majority in both houses in Congress and the White House, and the Republicans were a bunch of discredited, conspiracy theorist losers whose opinions shouldn't matter.

The dems can't get it through their heads that they're in the majority.

[Jenne]

Personally, I don't care if the Dems are taken for a ride by the White House.  The toadying that was done during the last decade to some blatant powergrabs by the Bush White House means they have years of abuse to make up for and get fisted up the ass in consequence.  If Rahm's learned to play them for the fools they are, fine, I can except that.  I'm all Machiavellian when it comes to Congress.  Fuck the playas as long as they play my way.

[Elder Iptuous]

Evidence that this whole charade was carefully staged kabuki bukake theatre for the DC watching masses.

fixed for....um... idunno.
but it's definitely fixed.

[Suu]

We can forget pulling out of Iraq's ass and Gitmo being closed, I fear.

That's next. So sayeth my Air Force and Marine buddies, but it can't be done overnight.

[Doktor Howl]

We can forget pulling out of Iraq's ass and Gitmo being closed, I fear.

That's next. So sayeth my Air Force and Marine buddies, but it can't be done overnight.

Yes it can.  Reagan pulled out of Beirut in a week.  Obama's had more than a year.

[Jenne]

We can forget pulling out of Iraq's ass and Gitmo being closed, I fear.

That's next. So sayeth my Air Force and Marine buddies, but it can't be done overnight.

No, but we'll still have a "legacy" force left behind like we do everyotherfuckingplace we've been to.  WHY we are still in Germany, etc.

I think I'm just too upset over seeing so many guys have to go back to Iraq and Afghanistan after their THIRD and FOURTH tours.  Their wives and kids have had enough. /living in SD isn't always so pretty

[Doktor Howl]

No, but we'll still have a "legacy" force left behind like we do everyotherfuckingplace we've been to.  WHY we are still in Germany, etc.

Because the Germans are kind enough to let us use their airbase?

[Cain]

"Safe" removal would, apparently, take between 16 and 18 months but Obama intends to keep 50,000-60,000 troops in country to referee the upcoming Iraqi Civil War.

[Jenne]

No, but we'll still have a "legacy" force left behind like we do everyotherfuckingplace we've been to.  WHY we are still in Germany, etc.

Because the Germans are kind enough to let us use their airbase?

exactly.  Don't see Iraqi kindness blowing the same way...and neither should it, really, to be honest.

I'm just too terribly bitter for this topic, I think.

[Doktor Howl]

"Safe" removal would, apparently, take between 16 and 18 months but Obama intends to keep 50,000-60,000 troops in country to referee the upcoming Iraqi Civil War.

Safe for whom?  The Iraqis or ourselves?

[Doktor Howl]

No, but we'll still have a "legacy" force left behind like we do everyotherfuckingplace we've been to.  WHY we are still in Germany, etc.

Because the Germans are kind enough to let us use their airbase?

exactly.  Don't see Iraqi kindness blowing the same way...and neither should it, really, to be honest.

I'm just too terribly bitter for this topic, I think.

The Germans have always been good allies (post-Nazi Germany, of course).  The fact that they are still after Bush and his crowd bad-mouthed them speaks more to their character than ours.

[Cain]

American troops, presumably.

I'm guessing there are lots of files to shred and burn, not to mention "securing" weapons systems for return.  Because it would be terrible if American weapons were used by warring Iraqi parties without them paying for them.

[Doktor Howl]

American troops, presumably.

I'm guessing there are lots of files to shred and burn, not to mention "securing" weapons systems for return.  Because it would be terrible if American weapons were used by warring Iraqi parties without them paying for them.

Yeah, I can see that.  We could be out of there in 2 weeks, if we really wanted to.

I'll buy 6 months, done properly, gear and all.