Tea Party: No longer harmless nutters

[Doktor Howl]

Sigh. 

You know what?  Ok, fine.  Educated kids do the whole crime thing BETTER so they end up not in jail.  Whatever.

I'm not going to argue that the court system is perfect, nor am I going to argue with the fact that there are plenty of people committing crimes everyday that don't get caught or convicted in the same way others in another economic strata might (shit, I go over the speed limit everytime I drive, and I rarely get caught, and the last time I did I was let go and not "charged").

HOWEVER:

neither will I say that dropping out of school is going to benefit ANYONE.  Ever.  I don't care how complicated you want to make it all.

YAY!  Enki wins by bludgeoning everyone to death with his stupidity!

Picking nits, more like.   It's just tiring.

We should try his method sometime, as a troll.

Say something dumb, and when disproven, just keep nattering on and on.

[Requia ☣]

Education and crime being linked is probably not causative.  Poor education, especially dropping out, indicates growing up in poverty, and lack of parental involvement, which are big risk factors for crime (insert appropriate disclaimers for what Rat mentioned).

Better quality of education is certainly better for individuals, but if we improve the quality across the board, businesses will just raise the stakes (Everybody has a high school diploma?  congratulations, now you need a college degree).

[Jenne]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

[Jenne]

Well, Jenne, it was a nice conversation we were having about the state of education in America.

Perhaps some other time.

I think the point is, Rog, that we both know some awesome people who've ended up in shitpiles because they don't have any education.  And could've benefitted greatly by it.

By "some people" I think I mean most everyone we know and have met.

Yep.  But I was kind of enjoying talking about what's happening to the schools, before Enki was driven to prove what a genius he is.

Maybe I'll start a thread tomorrow.

Since he got two people to agree with him, I predict ssdd.

[Doktor Howl]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

You're wasting your time, Jenne.

This thread is now about proving how smart and avante garde everyone is.

[LMNO]

Education and crime being linked is probably not causative.  Poor education, especially dropping out, indicates growing up in poverty, and lack of parental involvement, which are big risk factors for crime (insert appropriate disclaimers for what Rat mentioned).

Better quality of education is certainly better for individuals, but if we improve the quality across the board, businesses will just raise the stakes (Everybody has a high school diploma?  congratulations, now you need a college degree).

Education, no matter what NCLB is trying to do, does not have specific goals.

Education, when done right, is about finding underlying meaning, and problem solving.

If you're expecting a job after school, go learn a trade.  More power to you.

[Doktor Howl]

Well, Jenne, it was a nice conversation we were having about the state of education in America.

Perhaps some other time.

I think the point is, Rog, that we both know some awesome people who've ended up in shitpiles because they don't have any education.  And could've benefitted greatly by it.

By "some people" I think I mean most everyone we know and have met.

Yep.  But I was kind of enjoying talking about what's happening to the schools, before Enki was driven to prove what a genius he is.

Maybe I'll start a thread tomorrow.

Since he got two people to agree with him, I predict ssdd.

Yeah, you're right, it's fucking useless.  All I wanted to do was talk about what just happened to the schools, and this shit happens.  And it will happen tomorrow, too.

Fuck it.

[Jenne]

Oh, by the way:



ALL CRIMES ARE EQUIVALENT.





Raping your grandmother is exactly the same as tagging the wall in an industrial park.  Srsly.

Oh, and shitty  high school teachers soooo the same thing as the migrant farm worker children who can't learn to read because they have to take care of the bambinos while momma and poppa go pick strawberries, or the kids in Afghanistan who are shot at as they go to school.

Yeah, see, not liking your history prof in Uni is totally equivalent to not going to school for a whole year because Gramma's afraid teacher will see your bruises and you'll be reported to Children's Services again.

Totally.

[Jenne]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

You're wasting your time, Jenne.

This thread is now about proving how smart and avante garde everyone is.

You mean "avant GRADE," amirite?

Ogod.  I've been reduced to cheap punnery.  SHOOT ME NOW.

[Jenne]

Education and crime being linked is probably not causative.  Poor education, especially dropping out, indicates growing up in poverty, and lack of parental involvement, which are big risk factors for crime (insert appropriate disclaimers for what Rat mentioned).

Better quality of education is certainly better for individuals, but if we improve the quality across the board, businesses will just raise the stakes (Everybody has a high school diploma?  congratulations, now you need a college degree).

Education, no matter what NCLB is trying to do, does not have specific goals.

Education, when done right, is about finding underlying meaning, and problem solving.

If you're expecting a job after school, go learn a trade.  More power to you.

Someone cue my husband talking about "white peoples' problems" or "this is what happens when you're too well fed."

Because that's his standard line in discussions like these and I tend to stay away from them, but damn are they not apt at this point.

[Doktor Howl]

You mean "avant GRADE," amirite?

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Requia ☣]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

[Jenne]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

O good god.

Again, Requia?  You're talking from YOUR ASS.

[Doktor Howl]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

O good god.

Again, Requia?  You're talking from YOUR ASS.

Nonsense, Jenne.  Critical thinking skills and the ability to do a risk/reward scenario have nothing to do with crime.

[LMNO]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.