Please take a stand against our terrible values
Started by Doktor Howl, March 23, 2010, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: Suu on March 23, 2010, 04:58:13 PMEverything looks good on paper.
Quote from: Suu on March 23, 2010, 05:00:36 PMThe problem in all systems isn't the system, they can all "work". It's human nature that doesn't work.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 23, 2010, 05:11:43 PMThe problem I see with these three systems (and all forms of idealism, really) is that they completely misunderstand game theory. They assume that humans will always act in their long-term rational self-interest, which we all know never happens. Most people have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to politics. We don't care about making things better for our great-grandchildren. We want to know how we can make a buck in the next 15 minutes and fuck anyone that gets in our way. Sure all of those forms work on paper, but humans don't live on paper. We live in the jungle where humans are dumb, short-sighted, and lie constantly.
Quote from: Cain on March 23, 2010, 05:12:51 PMYou have to start from where people are, if you want them to go anywhere else. Any system which doesn't recognise that people will sometimes cooperate and sometimes be selfish, sometimes be victim to circumstances beyond their control, sometimes attempt to game the system etc etc and incorporate that into the changes they want to make isn't doing political theory - they're creating Mary Suetopias.