The Problem With PD is This (serious thread, not stupid attempt at sarcasm):

[Cain]

I'm sure there are a number of interrelated problems.  However, I'm also pretty sure that

a) I won't be listened to, and
b) this thread will be re-made again in two weeks, because either no-one correctly identified the problem(s), or when it was correctly identified, there was nothing to actually encourage desired behaviour against undesired behaviour, either on an individual or site level.

So I'm going to continue slow trolling TCC instead.

[Doktor Howl]

As an aside, Nigel is my friend IRL as well as on PD, and she's a pretty fucking awesome person. If someone has a problem with her (or anyone else) that doesn't have anything to fucking do with the thread or topic at hand, it's extremely disrespectful to make that problem public and try to get uninvolved posters to take sides. The next person that jacks my thread to talk totally unrelated shit about Nigel is gonna get smacked in the fucking mouth if I ever see them IRL.

Grow the fuck up.

I've only talked to her on the phone, but I think she's great.

[Faust]

Anyway, and more importantly
Despite any of the bitching of the last few weeks I don't think any of that stuff is "The problem with PD".
As others have said, it is an overall lack of focus and sense of involvement (trolling forums, some of the dumb games we used to play in apple talk and the like) that seems to have dampened over the last year. Its no one specific thing that has caused this but as roger said, the fun seems to have gone with it.

I disagree strongly. I really think that the recent (in the last year or so) tendency for people to post from a self-centered standpoint rather than tying their personal experiences into a broader picture is a BIG problem. This is not the place for ego-based posturing, and we're all guilty to some degree but there's a split between the people that have recently fallen into that mode because it's become the dominant framework for communication here and the people that never progressed beyond it in the first place.

It has become a part of the culture and the way people communicate here though, changing that is going to require effort in pretty much every section of the forum to get people to put tying of the "bigger picture" into peoples minds.
I've started asking people when they make a flippant remark to also make a point and it seems to work.

I think eventually one side or the other is going to have to just walk away from this argument.

I mean, when everyone has had their fill of hate, bad feelings, and saying things they can never take back

ETA: that's not just directed at you, Faust, although it disappoints me more coming from you than anyone else. but I've seen it a couple of other times in the last couple days from a couple other people.

I wasn't going to respond to it but this was the third time I was being indirectly or directly addressed. I won't respond to any more goading if you wish.

[East Coast Hustle]

1) that's a good idea, about getting people to make a point out of a flippant remark. At the very least it might shut them up, and it may even inspire some new ideas.

2) don't do it for me, man, do it for you. If you have beef with Nigel, it's between you and Nigel, I just don't see her jacking threads to bitch about Faust.

[Doktor Howl]

I won't respond to any more goading if you wish.

Well, what I wish isn't very important, here.  Do you want to fight on PD, or do more constructive things?

Nobody here is FORCED into a fight.  

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

As an aside, Nigel is my friend IRL as well as on PD, and she's a pretty fucking awesome person. If someone has a problem with her (or anyone else) that doesn't have anything to fucking do with the thread or topic at hand, it's extremely disrespectful to make that problem public and try to get uninvolved posters to take sides. The next person that jacks my thread to talk totally unrelated shit about Nigel is gonna get smacked in the fucking mouth if I ever see them IRL.

Grow the fuck up.

Awwww. Thank you, ECH!

ETA: And you, too, Dok.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

The next person that jacks my thread to talk totally unrelated shit about Nigel is gonna get smacked in the fucking mouth if I ever see them IRL.

Wow dude, so you're an Internet Tough Guy now?

You know what, go right the fuck ahead and punch us in the face what we say on the internet.

This is what's wrong with PD.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

I think this whole thread has a lot of very good and valid points and may very well be a good way to look deeper in ourselves for some personal development.

I personally need to get more involved with projects. To find time and make time to do them.

I think we're all bored.
We need something new and exciting.

Hell I'm bored nearly to tears with my IRL life.

[East Coast Hustle]

The next person that jacks my thread to talk totally unrelated shit about Nigel is gonna get smacked in the fucking mouth if I ever see them IRL.

Wow dude, so you're an Internet Tough Guy now?

You know what, go right the fuck ahead and punch us in the face what we say on the internet.

This is what's wrong with PD.

:reply redacted and sent via PM instead:

you know, because I'm trying to make a point about jacking serious threads with irrelevant posturing.

[the last yatto]

i think ech point is, if he knew the board was going to revert back to the old ways, he would have let the pagans keep it

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Which old ways?  Can you point out the 50 page threads about *stabby stabby* and tequila?  Or the threads about Really Real Discordianism?  Or the spasms of mod abuse, real and accused?  Or perhaps the old way of this board not existing at all, or with three posters dropping in once a month?  Bad as "facebook for weirdos" may be, there is always, always worse, and this board has seen it. 

[Cain]

Well, we haven't seen the One Horse One Cup Appreciation Society yet.

[Kai]

Hey, you. Yeah, YOU! You know that thing, that forum down there, yeah, scroll down a bit, that one right /there/, the Or Kill Me forum? Why don't you post something there, something cool, something interesting. Hell, you could even BITCH down there if you wanted, but interesting bitching, non circular bitching, bitching that, well, doesn't suck.

I've been doing it a bit recently, it's good stuff! You should try it out!

Also, scroll up just a bit from this one, thats right, Principia Discussion. Theres a really awesome thread in there with incredible creepy writings by LMNO. But don't let that stop you from making your own!

And guess what? The more you do it, the more other people will want to join it. So don't be left behind! Act NOW!

[Cain]

And guess what? The more you do it, the more other people will want to join it.

I was with you up until this point.

[Kai]

And guess what? The more you do it, the more other people will want to join it.

I was with you up until this point.

Sorry, I'm just depressed with the fact that there are so many creative people here who spend their time writing in threads like this one instead of just /doing/ stuff. As for the point I lost you, the reason the psycho letters work was because of it.