The City That Eris Built, Part 1

[Doktor Howl]

FWIW Portland has a very active Santero population and also received a lot of New Orleans refugees so now has a lot of Vodoun as well, and there is really, really for real nothing at all creepy about either. Certainly vastly less creepy than the goddamned Revival tent churches. Hate those motherfucks.

Santeria is practiced openly in Tucson, as is Voodoo, and several West African cults (in the old sense of the term), as we have enormous Hispanic, Caribbean, and West African populations here.

I don't think it's any of those, though it might be an offshoot.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Can't just let people built shelters on unused ground. Something might happen to them. Something bad.

[Doktor Howl]

Can't just let people built shelters on unused ground. Something might happen to them. Something bad.

Odds are, it's a liability issue in some cases.  Also, squatters rights can get interesting, legally.

But most of the time, I think it's just reflexive cruelty.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

FWIW Portland has a very active Santero population and also received a lot of New Orleans refugees so now has a lot of Vodoun as well, and there is really, really for real nothing at all creepy about either. Certainly vastly less creepy than the goddamned Revival tent churches. Hate those motherfucks.

Santeria is practiced openly in Tucson, as is Voodoo, and several West African cults (in the old sense of the term), as we have enormous Hispanic, Caribbean, and West African populations here.

I don't think it's any of those, though it might be an offshoot.

From what little I've researched so far, I don't think it's an offshoot. I think it's a version of a significantly older religion; possibly the earliest Judeo-Islamic-Christian goddess-worshipping religion.

[Doktor Howl]

FWIW Portland has a very active Santero population and also received a lot of New Orleans refugees so now has a lot of Vodoun as well, and there is really, really for real nothing at all creepy about either. Certainly vastly less creepy than the goddamned Revival tent churches. Hate those motherfucks.

Santeria is practiced openly in Tucson, as is Voodoo, and several West African cults (in the old sense of the term), as we have enormous Hispanic, Caribbean, and West African populations here.

I don't think it's any of those, though it might be an offshoot.

From what little I've researched so far, I don't think it's an offshoot. I think it's a version of a significantly older religion; possibly the earliest Judeo-Islamic-Christian goddess-worshipping religion.

If so, I'd be interested to find out why they had destroyed electronics all around the shrine.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I have found links to Poland and France in the 1400's. There is very little available.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's hard sorting through the bullshit, of which there is much. New Age and Wiccan whores want to draw retard connections, and there's a lot of that. I might have to resort to a physical library; fortunately E. is a science librarian.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am interested in the fact that the originator of this image used encaustic, which I'm trying to learn right now.

[LMNO]

Is that....  Is that ritual scarification on Mary's face there?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I have found a few references to it being a death cult, but cannot verify.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The Arizona link may be through the Lady of Guadalupe.

Describe the shrines, please.

[Cain]

The Arizona link may be through the Lady of Guadalupe.

Describe the shrines, please.

I wondered about that myself, but thought it had been bought up earlier in the thread.  Maybe I imagined it though, if so, my bad.

[Cain]

Is that....  Is that ritual scarification on Mary's face there?

Yes, I also wondered what that signified.  According to the Wiki article:

The legend concerning the two scars on the Black Madonna's right cheek is that the Hussites stormed the Pauline monastery in 1430, plundering the sanctuary. Among the items stolen was the icon. After putting it in their wagon, the Hussites tried to get away but their horses refused to move. They threw the portrait down to the ground and one of the plunderers drew his sword upon the image and inflicted two deep strikes. When the robber tried to inflict a third strike, he fell to the ground and squirmed in agony until his death. Despite past attempts to repair these scars, they had difficulty in covering up those slashes (as they found out that the painting was painted with tempera infused with diluted wax). In commemoration of the attack, two slashes on her right cheek were made by a pen.[1]

Another legend states that, as the robber struck the painting twice, the face of the Virgin Mary started to bleed; in a panic, the scared Hussites retreated and left the painting.[citation needed

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Might have been. I am tired; I stayed up late.

EOT might be useful in this thread, as a comparative religions scholar.

[LMNO]

Is that....  Is that ritual scarification on Mary's face there?

Yes, I also wondered what that signified.  According to the Wiki article:

The legend concerning the two scars on the Black Madonna's right cheek is that the Hussites stormed the Pauline monastery in 1430, plundering the sanctuary. Among the items stolen was the icon. After putting it in their wagon, the Hussites tried to get away but their horses refused to move. They threw the portrait down to the ground and one of the plunderers drew his sword upon the image and inflicted two deep strikes. When the robber tried to inflict a third strike, he fell to the ground and squirmed in agony until his death. Despite past attempts to repair these scars, they had difficulty in covering up those slashes (as they found out that the painting was painted with tempera infused with diluted wax). In commemoration of the attack, two slashes on her right cheek were made by a pen.[1]

Another legend states that, as the robber struck the painting twice, the face of the Virgin Mary started to bleed; in a panic, the scared Hussites retreated and left the painting.[citation needed

Do you think there's any chance that this might have been misinterpreted/taken too far by fever-eyed True Believers?  I only ask because I'm pretty sure I've seen that pattern of scars before.