People of class drink alcohol

[Requia ☣]

I have no idea what kind of people go to cowboy bars.

[Doktor Howl]

I have no idea what kind of people go to cowboy bars.

Okay, so neither of you has an opinion on which group is dumber.

Then what are you arguing about?

[Requia ☣]

Semantics.

I am however *trying* to argue that Hawk can't base knowledge on people's drinking habits based around people who go to bars.  Because that's a *huge* sample bias given the topic.

[LMNO]

I'll try to re-phrase:


1. Intelligence is only mildy correlated to level of education, and that correlation is not a proven causation.

2. The ratio of intelligent to non-intelligent people (disregarding level of education) is more or less constant regardless of demographic.

3. The ratio of drinkers to non-drinkers is also more or less constant regardless of demographic.

4. For reasons that may or may not be explained in the OP report (which we can't easily obtain), alcohol consumption is correlated with a higher level of intelligence.  Again, the correlation is in no way a causation.




So let's stop talking about how "smart" or "intelligent" or "educated" certain demographics are, ok? 

Dumb is a universal constant.

[Adios]

Semantics.

I am however *trying* to argue that Hawk can't base knowledge on people's drinking habits based around people who go to bars.  Because that's a *huge* sample bias given the topic.

I am dense. Are you saying that people who go to bars don't determine who drinks? I would certainly see your point if I had said Baptists drink more than Catholics.

[Doktor Howl]

Semantics.

I am however *trying* to argue that Hawk can't base knowledge on people's drinking habits based around people who go to bars.  Because that's a *huge* sample bias given the topic.

Should he have used AA meetings instead?

[Doktor Howl]

Dumb is a universal constant condition.

Fixed for accuracy.

[LMNO]

Semantics.

I am however *trying* to argue that Hawk can't base knowledge on people's drinking habits based around people who go to bars.  Because that's a *huge* sample bias given the topic.

Hold on... Are you saying that only people of a specific intelligence level go to bars?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'd still like to see the text of the actual study. What I have read so far is that they found eight thousand something public school kids at age ten, tested their intelligence, and then went back 20 years later and surveyed them for alcohol consumption, then noting that the kids who scored higher on the intelligence tests were more likely to be in management/administrative work and also more likely to drink heavily.

This raises a whole lot of questions. I doubt a study like this is meant to be a stopping point, but a beginning point for more studies.

[Adios]

I'd still like to see the text of the actual study. What I have read so far is that they found eight thousand something public school kids at age ten, tested their intelligence, and then went back 20 years later and surveyed them for alcohol consumption, then noting that the kids who scored higher on the intelligence tests were more likely to be in management/administrative work and also more likely to drink heavily.

This raises a whole lot of questions. I doubt a study like this is meant to be a stopping point, but a beginning point for more studies.

How about a study that claims stressful jobs can lead to heavy drinking?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'd still like to see the text of the actual study. What I have read so far is that they found eight thousand something public school kids at age ten, tested their intelligence, and then went back 20 years later and surveyed them for alcohol consumption, then noting that the kids who scored higher on the intelligence tests were more likely to be in management/administrative work and also more likely to drink heavily.

This raises a whole lot of questions. I doubt a study like this is meant to be a stopping point, but a beginning point for more studies.

How about a study that claims stressful jobs can lead to heavy drinking?

First there would need to be a study identifying stressful jobs.

[Requia ☣]

Semantics.

I am however *trying* to argue that Hawk can't base knowledge on people's drinking habits based around people who go to bars.  Because that's a *huge* sample bias given the topic.

I am dense. Are you saying that people who go to bars don't determine who drinks?

Yes.  Almost all the people in bars are drinkers.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Semantics.

I am however *trying* to argue that Hawk can't base knowledge on people's drinking habits based around people who go to bars.  Because that's a *huge* sample bias given the topic.

I am dense. Are you saying that people who go to bars don't determine who drinks?

Yes.  Almost all the people in bars are drinkers.

So are a lot of people who don't go to bars.

[Requia ☣]

True, but the point is that if you only look at people in bars, then you will find a higher number of drinkers than if you look at all people in a demographic, regardless of whether or not they go to bars.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

True, but the point is that if you only look at people in bars, then you will find a higher number of drinkers than if you look at all people in a demographic, regardless of whether or not they go to bars.

Yes, that is very true, although it has nothing really do do with the study. Or is that the point you are making? I may be a little lost.