So, Jim...When Did We Join The Monkeys?

[Jasper]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses? 

I don't.  I am uninterested in saving the masses.

I'd settle for saving myself from the masses.

That's a different matter entirely.  I think the trick is to find the blind spots, the holes, in their ideology, and camp out there.

Yeah, that sounds nice.  But, how does that look in practice?

[Doktor Howl]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses?  

I don't.  I am uninterested in saving the masses.

That's Payne's job, anyway, and he's dead.

He didn't learn from Curly's fate.  Or Jesus.  Or MLK.  Or Gandhi.  Or Malcolm X.  Or John Dillinger.

The masses don't want to be saved, and they'll kill you if you try.

[That One Guy]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses? 

At the risk of sounding pinealist, by keeping them confused.

Sounds workable.

Now we need a formula to induce severe cognitive dissonance on a nationwide scale.

I'm going to disagree, and state that any confusion we engender should be aimed at making their ideologies fail faster.

This just makes me think of the classic Daffy vs. Bugs cartoon where they're going at it over what hunting season it is - Rabbit Season! Duck Season! Rabbit Season!

... and then Bugs confuses Daffy into forcing Fudd to shoot him because he becomes CONVINCED it's Duck Season.

THAT is how confusion should be used - make them blow their own damn fool heads off. It's the only way to wake them up that has a hope of working. And if it doesn't, at least they got their damn fool heads blown off while we laugh.

[Doktor Howl]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses? 

I don't.  I am uninterested in saving the masses.

I'd settle for saving myself from the masses.

That's a different matter entirely.  I think the trick is to find the blind spots, the holes, in their ideology, and camp out there.

Yeah, that sounds nice.  But, how does that look in practice?

I'm working for big oil, fucking off a lot for large bank, and being recognized as a "key player".

You tell me.

[Doktor Howl]

Okay. So, I also identify as a Unitarian Universalist, Religious Naturalist and Insect Systematist. How are those things incompatible with Discordianism?

Which one of those do you DO, and which do you base your self-worth and/or personal existence on?

I don't stake my self worth or personal existence on identities.

Then we have a misunderstanding of terms.  We're arguing the same point.

Yet I still do identify as these things.

No, you may adhere to them, but you would still be Kai without them.

Contrast that with, say, Memnoch, who wouldn't exist if he couldn't be a "conservative".

[Doktor Howl]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses? 

At the risk of sounding pinealist, by keeping them confused.

Sounds workable.

Now we need a formula to induce severe cognitive dissonance on a nationwide scale.

I'm going to disagree, and state that any confusion we engender should be aimed at making their ideologies fail faster.

This just makes me think of the classic Daffy vs. Bugs cartoon where they're going at it over what hunting season it is - Rabbit Season! Duck Season! Rabbit Season!

... and then Bugs confuses Daffy into forcing Fudd to shoot him because he becomes CONVINCED it's Duck Season.

THAT is how confusion should be used - make them blow their own damn fool heads off. It's the only way to wake them up that has a hope of working. And if it doesn't, at least they got their damn fool heads blown off while we laugh.

Oh, yeeeeah.  That gives me an idea.

[LMNO]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses? 

At the risk of sounding pinealist, by keeping them confused.

Sounds workable.

Now we need a formula to induce severe cognitive dissonance on a nationwide scale.

I'm going to disagree, and state that any confusion we engender should be aimed at making their ideologies fail faster.

This.  For certain.

[Doktor Howl]

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what.  Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses? 

At the risk of sounding pinealist, by keeping them confused.

Sounds workable.

Now we need a formula to induce severe cognitive dissonance on a nationwide scale.

I'm going to disagree, and state that any confusion we engender should be aimed at making their ideologies fail faster.

This.  For certain.

Yep.  We're Discordians (root word is what, again?), not the Save The Monkeys Foundation.

[Kai]

Okay. So, I also identify as a Unitarian Universalist, Religious Naturalist and Insect Systematist. How are those things incompatible with Discordianism?

Which one of those do you DO, and which do you base your self-worth and/or personal existence on?

I don't stake my self worth or personal existence on identities.

Then we have a misunderstanding of terms.  We're arguing the same point.

Yet I still do identify as these things.

No, you may adhere to them, but you would still be Kai without them.

Contrast that with, say, Memnoch, who wouldn't exist if he couldn't be a "conservative".

Okay, I think I agree with you. We had a misunderstanding of terms.

[Jasper]

Yep.  We're Discordians (root word is what, again?), not the Save The Monkeys Foundation.

One thing I enjoyed about the original recipe PD is how it defines Discordia in five ways.  You know, Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, Aftermath.  

Focusing only on the 'discord' aspect as the basis for the whole religion is similar to the Eristic delusion.

[Doktor Howl]

Okay. So, I also identify as a Unitarian Universalist, Religious Naturalist and Insect Systematist. How are those things incompatible with Discordianism?

Which one of those do you DO, and which do you base your self-worth and/or personal existence on?

I don't stake my self worth or personal existence on identities.

Then we have a misunderstanding of terms.  We're arguing the same point.

Yet I still do identify as these things.

No, you may adhere to them, but you would still be Kai without them.

Contrast that with, say, Memnoch, who wouldn't exist if he couldn't be a "conservative".

Okay, I think I agree with you. We had a misunderstanding of terms.

Yep.  If you took away my job, my Jeep, my guns, my horrible filthy associates...I'd still be me.

Most people here would still be themselves.

Interesting point:  When dealing with outlandish noobs, we could ask them what they'd be without Discordianism.

[Doktor Howl]

Yep.  We're Discordians (root word is what, again?), not the Save The Monkeys Foundation.

One thing I enjoyed about the original recipe PD is how it defines Discordia in five ways.  You know, Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, Aftermath.  

Focusing only on the 'discord' aspect as the basis for the whole religion is similar to the Eristic delusion.

Couple of things:  I don't put any stock in the "Eristic delusion".  It sounds like someone trying to hippie out of the darker side of chaos.

Second thing:  I never said "only".  I asked what the root word was.  There's obviously plenty more to it.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Interesting point:  When dealing with outlandish noobs, we could ask them what they'd be without Discordianism.

POINT!

What am I without Discordianism? Same twisted little fuck but with less people on my wavelength.

[Jasper]

Yep.  We're Discordians (root word is what, again?), not the Save The Monkeys Foundation.

One thing I enjoyed about the original recipe PD is how it defines Discordia in five ways.  You know, Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, Aftermath.  

Focusing only on the 'discord' aspect as the basis for the whole religion is similar to the Eristic delusion.

Couple of things:  I don't put any stock in the "Eristic delusion".  It sounds like someone trying to hippie out of the darker side of chaos.

Second thing:  I never said "only".  I asked what the root word was.  There's obviously plenty more to it.

"In some sense".   Discordia is preeminently a postmodern religion.  Lacking an authoritative doctrine is what makes it ideal for breaking out of the monkey traps and simultaneously using an undue amount of laughable hippie crap.

[Doktor Howl]

Interesting point:  When dealing with outlandish noobs, we could ask them what they'd be without Discordianism.

POINT!

What am I without Discordianism? Same twisted little fuck but with less people on my wavelength.

This.  I'm still me.  The only difference is, I'd have less people to laugh with.