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My theory is that they just simply don't need us.

I think there's plenty of discord in Japan through the manga, anime, and media scene enough. Maybe they don't need Discordianism.


Everyone needs Discordianism.  No matter how much they scream at the time.
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My theory is that they just simply don't need us.

I think there's plenty of discord in Japan through the manga, anime, and media scene enough. Maybe they don't need Discordianism.


Everyone needs Discordianism.  No matter how much they scream at the time.

I thought that was Dentists, but even Dentists must need Discordianism. That must be why they are all Alcoholics. And they say an alcoholic is always screaming on the inside, so that must be some deep denial they are in. Iwanna go fuck with a Dentist! But they traumatised me with Gas and counting backwards when I was little.  :cry:
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My theory is that they just simply don't need us.

I think there's plenty of discord in Japan through the manga, anime, and media scene enough. Maybe they don't need Discordianism.

There's more to discordianism than just the discord.

I don't really think the PD is suitable for getting the whole TFY,S message through in different cultures though, (hell it barely gets through here in the west).
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Japan has absorbed enough christian memes that the PD would resonate. It also reflects many zen/ch'an and crazy-wisdom traditions. I think it's primarily the language barriers.

Hell, there are Japanese Rastafari kids......



Let's step on up people. One of the next forums we safari should be one from Japan that has enough English speakers that we can communicate.
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A bunch of Gaijin invading a Japanese forum.  That'll go over well.   :lulz:
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I don't really think the PD is suitable for getting the whole TFY,S message through in different cultures though, (hell it barely gets through here in the west).

would the BIP translate well?
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Hell, there are Japanese Rastafari kids......


not to threadjack too much, but no, there are not. Rastafarianism is, at heart, a black power movement. you literally cannot be a Rasta if you aren't black, no matter how nasty your hair is and how infrequently you shower.
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The BIP would serve as a good general purpose work yeah.  It doesn't require that the reader get the jokes (or that they find it acceptable to have jokes and serious topics in the same work).  It doesn't require you to get sarcasm or read between the lines (the PD is very heavy on between the lines, to the point I sometimes wonder if the whole TFY,S thing isn't just Lo5 courtesy of RAW).  The two man con passage might not work in cultures that don't have democracy, or who have somehow avoided the whole rebulicrat thing.

On the other hand its missing the law of fives, or a quarters experiment, something on those lines, and the more serious tone doesn't really convey the lightening up aspects of discordianism.
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I think translations of Discordia into Japanese would do well to focus on the monkey hierarchy and power politics. Hierarchies in North America (workplace and social) are rather horizontal and don't have many tiers: you can hand out with your boss after work, etc. Japan is quite different: their society is much more vertical and the hierarchy is much more developed and rigid. TFY,S and the "humans = monkeys" memeset would go over well, I think.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't hanging out with the boss pretty much required in order to hold down a job in Japan?

My understanding is that people who don't hang out with the boss and share the boss's interests are seen as bad employees, regardless of how good their work is.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't hanging out with the boss pretty much required in order to hold down a job in Japan?

My understanding is that people who don't hang out with the boss and share the boss's interests are seen as bad employees, regardless of how good their work is.
Possibly. What I meant to say is that social hierarchies are much more rigid than they are in North America. In Japan you might be able to hang out with your boss after work, but you're still be in the boss-subordinate mindset. You wouldn't be equals.
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I hang out with my kitchen crew after work all the time.

Nobody is ever foolish enough to treat me as an equal.
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way back when I actually had a job people hung out with the bosses as equals.

Of course, that was tech support and 'hung out' really means 'played World of Warcraft with'.  So that job may not have been the best example of US culture.
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Hell, there are Japanese Rastafari kids......


not to threadjack too much, but no, there are not. Rastafarianism is, at heart, a black power movement. you literally cannot be a Rasta if you aren't black, no matter how nasty your hair is and how infrequently you shower.
Yeah, I agree with that. Japanese Rastas, are about as culturally valid as Japanese Elvis. But they obviously aren't doing out it of any cross-cultural need,
Just a fashion centred Tribalism, for all the right reasons, without all the Political-social baggage that such scenes carry in the West. Fair play to, Japan, they have picked all the fun stuff they wanted, out of Western culture, and been quite good not to pick all the shit up with it. Kudos, I say.
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Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

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I think translations of Discordia into Japanese would do well to focus on the monkey hierarchy and power politics. Hierarchies in North America (workplace and social) are rather horizontal and don't have many tiers: you can hand out with your boss after work, etc. Japan is quite different: their society is much more vertical and the hierarchy is much more developed and rigid. TFY,S and the "humans = monkeys" memeset would go over well, I think.

Culturally, Japan has many similarities with Britain. Although we play it down these days, the rigid class system is still a big social dynamic in Britain today.

We are both Island Nations, about the same size, both with Imperial History, and Militarily Strong, with rich Martial Heritages.

Both slightly Insular, from being Islands, surrounded by hostile, butthurt, or resentful neighbours. Both, the Daddys of their geographical zones,

And both Economic A-list powers.
Both with a capitalist business ethic, and rich trade on an International level.

Both regarded by outsiders as stiff, and rather emotionally stunted, but socially, very well mannered.
In fact, we have more common ground with Japan, than we do with most of the rest of Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1865LycOrCo

(And yes, I know this is a song about masturbation *yawn*)
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NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

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Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4