I love the queers

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I don't see how the question was offensive.

Maybe because he wasn't spontaneously interested enough in the fascinating state of other people's gender identity issues to have already looked it up.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

is there a wikipage to esplain all this?  perhaps with example pics and diagrams?

If you had taken the trouble to Wiki it you could have answered your own - kind of offensive - question

Gender refers to the personal inner-sex identity of an individual, irrespective of his or her outer sex, which is determined by his/her/hir sexual organs

/queer stick up ass


and you want pictures - fuck it man find your own damn porn  

Odd.  I always thought "Gender" meant your biological state (ie, male or female).

I'm sure some of the more savvy spags will come in and own us all, but I think Gender is more associated with man or woman, not male or female.  That is a reference to social roles and whatnot.  Sex is male or female, which refers to biological state.

My social justice teacher would have my head on a platter for not knowing this.

In other words, "gender", as separate from sex, is a social construct.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Odd.  I always thought "Gender" meant your biological state (ie, male or female).

EoC is right.  Sex - biological.  Gender - socialized (pink/blue blankets and so on).  'Queer' is sometimes used to un-binarize (bodies, identity, theory)... sometimes it's just used as a catchall in place of the alphabet soup.  Slightly off-topic, but the soup I'm familiar with is LGBTTQ2S.  That last is two-spirit.

@ OP - Awesome flashmob.  That made my day. 

Okay, enough is enough.  I refuse to memorize LGBTTQ2S.  I'm just gonna say "people".

Oh my god, seriously. Fuck that!  Nobody's that special.

[Doktor Howl]

I don't see how the question was offensive.

Maybe because he wasn't spontaneously interested enough in the fascinating state of other people's gender identity issues to have already looked it up.

You might be right.  Or maybe he wanted to hear it from the people in the conversation?  That may have even been the wisest course...I tried looking it up.  I found 4 descriptions, none of which agreed with one another, and some dictionary terms that agreed with none of the others.

Granted, I'm stuck with a lousy search engine here, and blocked pages from hell.

[Doktor Howl]

is there a wikipage to esplain all this?  perhaps with example pics and diagrams?

If you had taken the trouble to Wiki it you could have answered your own - kind of offensive - question

Gender refers to the personal inner-sex identity of an individual, irrespective of his or her outer sex, which is determined by his/her/hir sexual organs

/queer stick up ass


and you want pictures - fuck it man find your own damn porn  

Odd.  I always thought "Gender" meant your biological state (ie, male or female).

I'm sure some of the more savvy spags will come in and own us all, but I think Gender is more associated with man or woman, not male or female.  That is a reference to social roles and whatnot.  Sex is male or female, which refers to biological state.

My social justice teacher would have my head on a platter for not knowing this.

In other words, "gender", as separate from sex, is a social construct.

I suppose.  There's no actual English word for the concept I think is trying to be expressed, so "gender" as opposed to "sex" will probably have to do.

[Doktor Howl]

Odd.  I always thought "Gender" meant your biological state (ie, male or female).

EoC is right.  Sex - biological.  Gender - socialized (pink/blue blankets and so on).  'Queer' is sometimes used to un-binarize (bodies, identity, theory)... sometimes it's just used as a catchall in place of the alphabet soup.  Slightly off-topic, but the soup I'm familiar with is LGBTTQ2S.  That last is two-spirit.

@ OP - Awesome flashmob.  That made my day. 

Okay, enough is enough.  I refuse to memorize LGBTTQ2S.  I'm just gonna say "people".

Oh my god, seriously. Fuck that!  Nobody's that special.

"People" works.  Or "folks" I think used to be the term.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

a gender thread, in MY Apple Talk?

It's more ambiguous than you think!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Two-spirited is a term used across various Native American tribes to describe someone who fulfills both gender roles, i.e. having the spirits of both a man and a woman.

I knew it.

And I'm sure that Native Americans are thrilled with the patchouli-scented crowd's fondness of appropriating* their culture.

*Read: ripping off

It's Ojibwe in origin, and it's about as fucking irritating as it's possible to be when white people use it. "Queer" is FINE, and more inclusive anyway.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Two-spirited is a term used across various Native American tribes to describe someone who fulfills both gender roles, i.e. having the spirits of both a man and a woman.

I knew it.

And I'm sure that Native Americans are thrilled with the patchouli-scented crowd's fondness of appropriating* their culture.

*Read: ripping off

Yeah, just like they must love the Cherohonky crowd.

Cherohonky! 

[Doktor Howl]

Two-spirited is a term used across various Native American tribes to describe someone who fulfills both gender roles, i.e. having the spirits of both a man and a woman.

I knew it.

And I'm sure that Native Americans are thrilled with the patchouli-scented crowd's fondness of appropriating* their culture.

*Read: ripping off

Yeah, just like they must love the Cherohonky crowd.

Cherohonky! 

You've seen them.  You've probably had to deal with them.

In my case, it's a friend of my mother's, a breathless, fat old Jewish lady who for 3 decades has been under the utterly mistaken impression that she's got Native American blood.  She doesn't.  Not a drop.  To further illustrate what I'm talking about, she's "psychic", hates Muslims (she sometimes remembers she's Jewish, and assumes she's supposed to hate them), and wears a mumu with a wolf emblazoned on the back.  No shit.

Then there's the skinny 50-something hippie with the pony tail and the necklace made out of bones looted from Pima burial sites, who justifies wearing PART OF SOME DUDE (no shit) around his neck as "embracing his (utterly fabricated) heritage". 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Two-spirited is a term used across various Native American tribes to describe someone who fulfills both gender roles, i.e. having the spirits of both a man and a woman.

I knew it.

And I'm sure that Native Americans are thrilled with the patchouli-scented crowd's fondness of appropriating* their culture.

*Read: ripping off

Yeah, just like they must love the Cherohonky crowd.

Cherohonky! 

You've seen them.  You've probably had to deal with them.

In my case, it's a friend of my mother's, a breathless, fat old Jewish lady who for 3 decades has been under the utterly mistaken impression that she's got Native American blood.  She doesn't.  Not a drop.  To further illustrate what I'm talking about, she's "psychic", hates Muslims (she sometimes remembers she's Jewish, and assumes she's supposed to hate them), and wears a mumu with a wolf emblazoned on the back.  No shit.

Then there's the skinny 50-something hippie with the pony tail and the necklace made out of bones looted from Pima burial sites, who justifies wearing PART OF SOME DUDE (no shit) around his neck as "embracing his (utterly fabricated) heritage". 

OH, YES

Painfully familiar. To the point where I usually refuse to discuss being part indian with anyone, for fear it will take a turn into the horrible.

On that note,

[NotPublished]

What the hell is that?

Soo much mess ... soo little time

[Kai]

a gender thread, in MY Apple Talk?

It's more ambiguous than you think!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What the hell is that?

Soo much mess ... soo little time

From here: http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/08/16/bodybuilding-in-russia/

[Faust]

What the hell is that?

Soo much mess ... soo little time

From here: http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/08/16/bodybuilding-in-russia/

Pretty much every entry on englishrussia is fantastic. I love the shots they have of the ruined reactors and bases and lighthouses.

Odd.  I always thought "Gender" meant your biological state (ie, male or female).

EoC is right.  Sex - biological.  Gender - socialized (pink/blue blankets and so on).  'Queer' is sometimes used to un-binarize (bodies, identity, theory)... sometimes it's just used as a catchall in place of the alphabet soup.  Slightly off-topic, but the soup I'm familiar with is LGBTTQ2S.  That last is two-spirit.

@ OP - Awesome flashmob.  That made my day. 

Okay, enough is enough.  I refuse to memorize LGBTTQ2S.  I'm just gonna say "people".

And I'm still confused as to why Ippie's question was offensive.

Its running the risk of having the same thing that happened to prince and the IRA. One tried AFKAP, then that stupid symbol and from the other group that split into a million shards giving us The Real IRA, the provisional IRA, the Uncanny IRA etc. They got bundled without choice into the balloon headings of prince and the IRA and in this case I think that LGB will suffice any situation, lgbt at the most.