On the socialization of children

[Nephew Twiddleton]

When I was younger and smarter I swore I'd never inflict this world on children, sorry if you didn't like the joke.

Kinda. Integrity means Oneness, Unity, or "Such-ness". The idea being that the person still has those aspects, "independent of the medium by virtue of which you have received the information that it exists".

Let's clarify that last bit. You receive info that a "a Cramulus" exists, via the medium of the internet. Even if you've never met him flesh-to-flesh, the Pattern of Cramulus has become part of your (personal and partial) experience of the universe. Cramulus will continue to exists as a metaphysical entity long after his physical shell is no longer part of the Cramulus pattern. The pattern has changed(evolved), but it's still Cramulus.

OK, but then Cramulus is limited to being an impression and can only exist as long as there is an observer or prior observer of the medium.  I'll spend some time in the FAQ tonight and see if I have anything to offer.

There is however, this board. As long as this board exists, or the Discordian wiki exists, Cramulus will continue to exist. There could also be writings about Cramulus in the future, for all we know. We know a bit about Julius Caesar, Socrates, Khufu and Sargon, etc. By this definition, they still exist.

You could go a step even further and say that the way things are have been subtly influenced by everyone. I can account for the major events of my life over the past 11 years as largely stemming from one seemingly small decision I made in the Arboretum. This includes other junctures I have come across in the process, people I've met and interacted with along the way. I have influenced these people, and they have influenced me. So whether I am remembered in 200 years other than a weathered tombstone, I have still contributed to those 200 years of history, obscure or not.

[cainadhd]

Just stop being a retarded atheist.

[cainadhd]

And you should totally take your kids to Catholic day care

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My ex insisted on taking my kids to church. I taught them my views, which are to think critically and stay open to new information. Both of the older ones are currently woo-woo pagans, the youngest one is an atheist (possibly the Antichrist... I have my suspicions).

They go their own ways.

[Thurnez Isa]

Join a cult
and your problems will be solved

[Unkl Dad]

Atheism is too much of a commitment.

This isn't a cult?  Do I get my money back?

There is however, this board. As long as this board exists, or the Discordian wiki exists, Cramulus will continue to exist. There could also be writings about Cramulus in the future, for all we know. We know a bit about Julius Caesar, Socrates, Khufu and Sargon, etc. By this definition, they still exist.

You could go a step even further and say that the way things are have been subtly influenced by everyone. I can account for the major events of my life over the past 11 years as largely stemming from one seemingly small decision I made in the Arboretum. This includes other junctures I have come across in the process, people I've met and interacted with along the way. I have influenced these people, and they have influenced me. So whether I am remembered in 200 years other than a weathered tombstone, I have still contributed to those 200 years of history, obscure or not.

By that definition the easter bunny, santa claus, unicorns and the perfect glass of wine exist.  OK, but I don't think it would be wise to wait for rabbits to start laying colored eggs.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Atheism is too much of a commitment.

This isn't a cult?  Do I get my money back?

There is however, this board. As long as this board exists, or the Discordian wiki exists, Cramulus will continue to exist. There could also be writings about Cramulus in the future, for all we know. We know a bit about Julius Caesar, Socrates, Khufu and Sargon, etc. By this definition, they still exist.

You could go a step even further and say that the way things are have been subtly influenced by everyone. I can account for the major events of my life over the past 11 years as largely stemming from one seemingly small decision I made in the Arboretum. This includes other junctures I have come across in the process, people I've met and interacted with along the way. I have influenced these people, and they have influenced me. So whether I am remembered in 200 years other than a weathered tombstone, I have still contributed to those 200 years of history, obscure or not.

By that definition the easter bunny, santa claus, unicorns and the perfect glass of wine exist.  OK, but I don't think it would be wise to wait for rabbits to start laying colored eggs.

Not my point at all. If you live on in others, then you continue to live on well after you are forgotten because of the the direct and indirect impacts that you have on everything. I'm talking about things that once actually existed. This is an extension of the Cram's Gram posts.

[LMNO]

Find a good Southern Baptist church, and take your kids there.  I guarantee that both the food and the music will be better than you'd get with the Mormons.

[AFK]

I don't know about the Mormon church, but I spent about 13 years or so in the Baptist Church and I turned out okay.

But I currently have two kids at home.  One 6 one soon to be 3 months.  I am not in your position in that their mother, my wife, pretty much went through the same thing I did with religion.  She spent the better part of her youth years in the Catholic Church.  At the end of both of our youths we pretty much gave the middle finger to those religions and walked away, much to the chagrin of both our families. 

Now, the trick is, the 6 year old goes to school, and most of those kids do go to church, and so they'll talk about things, and she'll pick some of this stuff up, and then she'll come home and ask questions.  We try to answer in ways that are as open ended as possible.  Because, as a little kid, it is hard to wrap you head around ideas of mortality.  And I also think there is some merit to let the child explore these questions on their own to some degree.  Certainly, if they become scared or frightened with what they think the possible answers are, that's when you need to provide some kind of reassurance.  And that can be tricky.  You don't want to mislead them, but, you don't want to leave them without any hope either. 

And when you get right down to it, we don't have all the answers anyway.  And if we think we do, we're doing it wrong. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Religion is no different to Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny. You start out believing it, cos it makes the world a better place for you then, at some point in your life you either don't need it anymore and grow out of it or else you're a complete fucking retard.

[hooplala]

If the kid wants to go, let her go... she'll figure out its a gong show soon enough if she has any wits about her.

[Suu]

I used to like church when I was young, to the point where my mom seriously thought I was going to be a nun some day because of my love of studying the Bible.


Then I realized that it was, in fact, all bullshit sometime in high school, and that my love of Bible study was just part of my infatuation with history.

[Triple Zero]

Just stop being a retarded atheist.

GET THE FUCK OUT YOU GLORY-HOGGING BASTARDCUNTBITCHCOCKDICKSHITFUCKDAMN


God damn it don't you have enough already? Everyone knows that you're HD, that you have better sound and picture quality, and a higher signal-to-noise ratio. Why do you always ALWAYS have to fucking rub it in? You've got the money, the popularity, and all the good things in life. Why do you need to come in here and show off like you always do? It's my fucking BIRTHDAY man; you did that on purpose didn't you?! Just when I was finally starting to gain acceptance in a social group you have to barge in and take all the attention and show off that you're basically a better version of me!

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU STOP FOLLOWING ME EVERYWHERE AND STEALING MY FRIENDS EVERYWHERE I GO!


BAAAAAAAAWWWW!

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

Atheism is too much of a commitment.

This isn't a cult?  Do I get my money back?

There is however, this board. As long as this board exists, or the Discordian wiki exists, Cramulus will continue to exist. There could also be writings about Cramulus in the future, for all we know. We know a bit about Julius Caesar, Socrates, Khufu and Sargon, etc. By this definition, they still exist.

You could go a step even further and say that the way things are have been subtly influenced by everyone. I can account for the major events of my life over the past 11 years as largely stemming from one seemingly small decision I made in the Arboretum. This includes other junctures I have come across in the process, people I've met and interacted with along the way. I have influenced these people, and they have influenced me. So whether I am remembered in 200 years other than a weathered tombstone, I have still contributed to those 200 years of history, obscure or not.

By that definition the easter bunny, santa claus, unicorns and the perfect glass of wine exist.  OK, but I don't think it would be wise to wait for rabbits to start laying colored eggs.

NO REFUNDS!!

[hooplala]

I used to like church when I was young, to the point where my mom seriously thought I was going to be a nun some day because of my love of studying the Bible.


Then I realized that it was, in fact, all bullshit sometime in high school, and that my love of Bible study was just part of my infatuation with history.

I went through almost the same thing.