The Dunning-Kruger Effect

Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, June 22, 2010, 06:14:35 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I have been delighted recently with the increasing awareness and popularity of my favorite sociological study of all time, which most of  you have almost certainly heard me talk about; I have been calling it the Kruger-Dunning Effect because in the paper's publication, Kruger got top billing, but recently it's been remonikered the Dunning-Kruger Effect, because evidently Dunning was the advisor and Kruger was the grad student. I find the re-ordering of the authors' names dubious, though, as IMO they should remain in the original publication order. Regardless, here is an article and interview with David Dunning and it is kind of wonderful:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/

Here's the original paper: http://www.wepapers.com/Papers/70939/Unskilled_and_Unaware_of_It_-_How_Difficulties_in_Recognizing_One's_Own_Incompetence_Lead_to_Inflated_Self-Assessments
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Doktor Howl

Our engineer suffers from that.  We are considering stuffing him in the digestor (every workplace should have machines named "digestor" or "disintegrator"), once a means of jamming his considerable bulk into the manway of the tank has been established.
Molon Lube

Doktor Howl

Molon Lube

Cramulus

ah yes, the article supporting the idea that if you're a bad enough dancer, you lack the meta cognitive skills to comprehend how awful you look.

In some circles this is called the Cramulus effect.

Adios

Quote from: Cramulus on June 22, 2010, 06:51:41 PM
ah yes, the article supporting the idea that if you're a bad enough dancer, you lack the meta cognitive skills to comprehend how awful you look.

In some circles this is called the Cramulus effect.

:lulz:

Richter

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2010, 06:49:08 PM
Our engineer suffers from that.  We are considering stuffing him in the digestor (every workplace should have machines named "digestor" or "disintegrator"), once a means of jamming his considerable bulk into the manway of the tank has been established.

Wood chipper.  With the proper settings, they'll pass a camel through the eye of a needle.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

Friendly Neighborhood Mentat

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2010, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: Nigel on June 22, 2010, 06:36:48 PM
OH WOW

Speaking of which: http://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2010/06/officially-our-bestever-cease.html

Please expost...Websense.


QuoteJune 21, 2010
By CARRIE

OFFICIALLY OUR BEST-EVER CEASE AND DESIST
Recently we got the best-ever cease and desist letter. We're no stranger to the genre, so what could possibly make this one stand out from the rest?

First, it's 12 pages long and very well-researched (except on one point); it even includes screengrabs of the offending item from our site. And we know they're not messing around because they invested in the best and brightest legal minds.

But what makes this cease and desist so very, very special is that it's for a fake product we launched for April Fool's day.

It wasn't the iCade, or the Dharma Initiative Clock, or even the Tribbles 'n' Bits Breakfast Cereal.

No, it was the Canned Unicorn Meat.

The very special but also very real letter is from the National Pork Board, who claims we're infringing on the slogan "The Other White Meat," a slogan they're apparently thinking about phasing out anyways. A screengrab of the product page is below.

Luckily, the Sisters at Radiant Farms, where the unicorns are nursed through old age before being slaughtered, canned, and brought to market at ThinkGeek, have nothing to worry about--this kind of use is protected as a parody. (We're hoping the NPB doesn't tell the Sisters that unicorns don't actually exist; it'd break their little sparkly hearts.)

Here, in all its porky glory, is the first page of the letter:


We'd like to publicly apologize to the NPB for the confusion over unicorn and pork--and for their awkward extended pause on the phone after we had explained our unicorn meat doesn't actually exist. From our press release [PDF or text]:

"It was never our intention to cause a national crisis and misguide American citizens regarding the differences between the pig and the unicorn," said Scott Kauffman, President and CEO of Geeknet. "In fact, ThinkGeek's canned unicorn meat is sparkly, a bit red, and not approved by any government entity."

We'd also like to extend a special discount to everyone we offended with our portrayal of Unicorn Meat as "the new white meat." For a limited time, take $10 off any order of $40 or more by using the code PORKBOARD at checkout, good until 6/30/2010 at 11:59PM ET.

The PORKBOARD discount is good on any ThinkGeek product, but you might want to check out shirts like Periodic BaCoN or Prime Cuts of Unicorn. There's also the popular Tactical Bacon or really anything from our entire line of pork-inspired products. Note: Please excuse the Zombies in the Bacon special interest section, we like to mix our meats.

Finally, thanks, National Pork Board, for giving us yet another reason to keep the April Fool's Day tradition alive. We'll always wonder if our Canned Unicorn Meat played some small, magical part in your rethinking of your brand.

UPDATE 6/21 2:50p ET: Due to popular request, and after some interest on the intarwebz, you can now download our original press release [PDF or text]. It was unfortunately rejected by the newswires so you won't find it elsewhere--kinda like unicorn meat.



"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Adios


Vene

I love the Dunning-Kruger effect, and by "love" I mean it makes me want to punch babies.

But, I do find it interesting that everybody puts their skill in the third quartile, irregardless of actual ability.

Richter

This is exaclty what I've been thinking of when I mention "Blind spots" in our self view / metacognition. 
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

Friendly Neighborhood Mentat

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Richter on June 22, 2010, 07:18:44 PM
This is exaclty what I've been thinking of when I mention "Blind spots" in our self view / metacognition. 

I have no blind spots, at least that I can see.
Molon Lube

Zyzyx

This may go a long way for philosophy! Fascinating!

BTW Nigel I can't help but read any post you make in Nigel Ficke's voice, with that lollipop-nursing demigod standing right behind every one of them.

Freeky

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: Richter on June 22, 2010, 07:18:44 PM
This is exaclty what I've been thinking of when I mention "Blind spots" in our self view / metacognition. 

I have no blind spots, at least that I can see.

I see what you did there.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Professor Freeky on June 22, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: Richter on June 22, 2010, 07:18:44 PM
This is exaclty what I've been thinking of when I mention "Blind spots" in our self view / metacognition. 

I have no blind spots, at least that I can see.

I see what you did there.

Arguably, you didn't.
Molon Lube