G20 Protests: fucked.

[Thurnez Isa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWNqMV4Bgs&playnext_from=TL&videos=UmfnTSkoBog&feature=recentlik

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[Remington]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWNqMV4Bgs&playnext_from=TL&videos=UmfnTSkoBog&feature=recentlik

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What a fucking disgrace. I will be calling the Toronto police department tomorrow.

[Thurnez Isa]

To be fair the more I read the more it seems the TO police were 1) over their head or 2) getting simultaneous orders from two or more sources...
also how despite what CBC keeps saying how pathetic are our protesters really? I kept waiting to see those southerns burn!

Also what a stupid move to hold the summit in a major metropolitan area.
If they were smart they would have went three hours north to Huntsville. Beautiful lake and country side... lots of room, and a haven for many celebrities, also far enough to attract less protesters.
As for damage to stores... well I could guarantee that nice people of Huntsville would have just did what they do best...
gauge outsiders of every penny they own
It would have been a thing of beauty

[Rumckle]

A youtube doubler:
http://bit.ly/b4cm68

[Captain Utopia]

I first came to Toronto 13 years ago.. and it doesn't feel like the same city any more.  Hasn't for a while.  Maybe it's just me.  But that doubler was 

[President Television]

To be fair the more I read the more it seems the TO police were 1) over their head or 2) getting simultaneous orders from two or more sources...
also how despite what CBC keeps saying how pathetic are our protesters really? I kept waiting to see those southerns burn!

Also what a stupid move to hold the summit in a major metropolitan area.
If they were smart they would have went three hours north to Huntsville. Beautiful lake and country side... lots of room, and a haven for many celebrities, also far enough to attract less protesters.
As for damage to stores... well I could guarantee that nice people of Huntsville would have just did what they do best...
gauge outsiders of every penny they own
It would have been a thing of beauty

They ARE holding a summit in Huntsville. The G8 summit. I know because my grandparents were visiting here last week and they have a cottage there that might not survive.

[Cramulus]

a news report which is a bit more sympathetic towards the activists and reports on some of the ridiculous police actions

like people being arrested for having a lawyer's phone number written on their arm

One chick was blowing bubbles. the cop says: "If one of those bubbles touches me, I am arresting you for assault."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwXOKZh4Os&feature=channel

[Kai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-amzGk7qN8

Now tell me about human moral progression.

[Doktor Howl]

Toronto:  Having the 1968 Democratic Convention TODAY!

[Cain]

Might be a good parallel, that:

The Toronto G-20 summit sent a message to poor and working people in Europe and North America. "You will pay for the global financial crisis through cuts to your social safety nets. There will be no taxing of those who actually caused the crisis and made fortunes in the various bubbles over the last decades."

Of course not in so many words — what they said was they had committed to fiscal plans that will at least halve deficits by 2013 and stabilize or reduce government debt-to-GDP ratios by 2016. That means austerity plans, which was pretty much what was on the agenda before the countries got there.

This was bad enough. But there was another message, too, sent through the Canadian police: "If you don't like it, how about a rubber bullet?" It looks like G-20 countries will deal with opposition to their plans through martial law and police brutality.

I was there in Toronto, where police turned the downtown center into something resembling martial law. The invocation of an archaic piece of legislation called the "Public Works Protection Act" at the G20 site essentially suspended probable cause, giving police the rights of search and seizure to anyone, anywhere in the area. In other parts of the city peaceful demonstrators were charged with "conspiracy to commit mischief" and "disturbing the Queen's peace".

Canadians learned that there was no right to freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech as long as extraordinary measures could be rationalized.

And what were the circumstances? Well, in the midst of twenty thousand peaceful demonstrators were around one hundred people dressed in black (known as the Black Bloc tactic). At a certain point on Saturday afternoon, they broke away from the main protest march, and ran up and down Yonge Street breaking windows. Four police cars were trashed and burned. There is evidence a few of the cars were abandoned by police for hours before they were set upon. On one such car, protesters painted the words "bait".

There was nothing very secret about the Black Bloc's intentions or plans. There is evidence that the police had infiltrated the group, but in any case, they actually published most of their plans on a public web site. Yet in footage captured by a freelance journalist and dozens of cams posted on YouTube, police can be seen standing by for as long as an hour or more while the rampage occurred.

Was it a deliberate plan by the security forces (led by the RCMP), or a lack of resources as police claimed? When you try to answer that, keep in mind the Canadian government spent close to a billion dollars on security that included around 19,000 police on the streets.

In any case, television images of burning police cars became the rationale for almost a thousand arrests, mostly not of people wearing black, but of ordinary demonstrators. We know of times when people sat cross-legged holding up peace signs had rubber bullets fired at them. Journalists were manhandled, thrown to the ground, beaten with batons or punched in the face or gut, which happened to Jesse Rosenfeld (writing for the British paper The Guardian) and our own Jesse Freeston at The Real News.

The public has a right to know whether police are or are not abusing their powers. And the public can't know this without professional journalists with the courage to report from the centre of the storm. These journalists must be able to stand their ground if police try to move them, and the law must protect their right to do so. Without this, we are on our way to a police state.

Canadians are still processing the Toronto protest. What happened with the $1 billion the federal government is spending on security? Are the people of Ontario going to put up with the Public Works Protection Act, implemented quietly for the G-20? Will they accept the principle that the police can declare any protest or demonstration an illegal assembly? Will they demand full accountability from politicians and the police?

If the protest marked a turning point for the city, then it also marked a turning point for the world. If the Toronto G-20 is the shape of things to come, then people faced with drastic reductions in their living standards will be denied their freedom of speech and assembly at the snap of a police officer's or politician's fingers.

The firing of those rubber bullets should be a shot heard round the world.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/07/guest-post-the-g20-plan-for-prosperity-%e2%80%93-rubber-bullets-and-shredded-social-safety-net.html

[Remington]

I had a discussion with one of my new co-workers today. Apparently she thinks that the G20 police actions were both appropriate and justified. She admits that they made a "few" mistakes, but that no inquiries/disciplinary actions should be taken because:

1. It would cost too much
2. It would "undermine the authority of the police" (Yes, really)
3. It would be unnecessary, as she thinks they will "learn from their mistakes" and that there won't be any problems next time.

[Kai]

Well yeah, Rem, the police are their own authority. What did you think we live in, a republic? 

[Hoser McRhizzy]

Thanks for linking the story from Real News, Cramulus.  Even after their journalist Freeston got bashed in the face, they kept on reporting.  ... the 'contact cards' the lawyer talks about are a huge threat.  Whole lotta kids just got thrown in the system.

But on the upside (yes, I am that pollyanna sometimes, and I need to be atm), the mass arrests of bystanders has politicized a lot of people who've never had the honour of being targets before.  Besides the buzz in my communities, I know a few people who a couple of weeks back said the word 'protester' like a curse word, seeing no difference between Teabaggers and No One Is Illegal.  Just completely ignorant before.  They're calling themselves activists now.  Does an aging hippy's heart good after a very rough week.  Small comforts.   

Toronto:  Having the 1968 Democratic Convention TODAY!

Pretty much.

[Hoser McRhizzy]

I was there in Toronto, where police turned the downtown center into something resembling martial law. The invocation of an archaic piece of legislation called the "Public Works Protection Act" at the G20 site essentially suspended probable cause, giving police the rights of search and seizure to anyone, anywhere in the area. In other parts of the city peaceful demonstrators were charged with "conspiracy to commit mischief" and "disturbing the Queen's peace".

Canadians learned that there was no right to freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech as long as extraordinary measures could be rationalized.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/07/guest-post-the-g20-plan-for-prosperity-%e2%80%93-rubber-bullets-and-shredded-social-safety-net.html

And on Tuesday we found out that there WAS no '5 meter rule' or anything like it.  They just lied.  That first press conference announcing the Public Works thingy was just a heads up: "We've just announced that we'll arrest you for anything we want.  Please notice that no mainstream reporter will call bullshit.  See you on the streets."

Horrormirth watching major news outlets struggle in the aftermath to find a way to talk about the arrests without condemning the law that wasn't.  Very twisty business.  Your friend is doing great remembering her talking points, Remington...

[Remington]

The aggravating part is that she's a generally likable person and fairly knowledge on most other topics.