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E-Democracy
Doktor Howl:
From the link:
--- Quote ---With Approval Voting you are never stuck with only voting for "the lesser of two evils" as long as more favorable choices are also on the ballot.
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Um. That's already the case.
--- Quote ---Another important consequence of Approval Voting is that the strategy of relying on political attack ads becomes significantly riskier. Attacks may alienate independent and third party voters who, in Approval Voting, are just as important for determining the outcome as is any other voter.
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Also already true. As Cain has pointed out many times, "independent" means "right wing nutjob", and we already know who they're going to vote for, no matter what they say ahead of time. Hell, the teabaggers are already saying they'll be "forced" to bite the bullet and vote GOP.
--- Quote ---Approval Voting is exactly like the plurality system that is generally used in America today except for one twist: Instead of voting for any single candidate, Approval Voting allows you the option of voting for any number of candidates for a given office. The candidate who collects the most votes wins.
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Because the 2000 recount just wasn't funny enough. :lulz:
Adios:
--- Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 21, 2010, 06:47:48 pm ---From the link:
--- Quote ---With Approval Voting you are never stuck with only voting for "the lesser of two evils" as long as more favorable choices are also on the ballot.
--- End quote ---
Um. That's already the case.
--- Quote ---Another important consequence of Approval Voting is that the strategy of relying on political attack ads becomes significantly riskier. Attacks may alienate independent and third party voters who, in Approval Voting, are just as important for determining the outcome as is any other voter.
--- End quote ---
Also already true. As Cain has pointed out many times, "independent" means "right wing nutjob", and we already know who they're going to vote for, no matter what they say ahead of time. Hell, the teabaggers are already saying they'll be "forced" to bite the bullet and vote GOP.
--- Quote ---Approval Voting is exactly like the plurality system that is generally used in America today except for one twist: Instead of voting for any single candidate, Approval Voting allows you the option of voting for any number of candidates for a given office. The candidate who collects the most votes wins.
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Because the 2000 recount just wasn't funny enough. :lulz:
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WTF?
LMNO:
I think what Dok may be getting at (and if he isn't, then I certainly am) is that it doesn't really matter how you vote for something if a system is already in place to make certain that some candidates are more viable than others, based upon factors other than their ideas and competence.
That is to say, corporate money.
Jasper:
--- Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 21, 2010, 06:47:48 pm ---From the link:
--- Quote ---With Approval Voting you are never stuck with only voting for "the lesser of two evils" as long as more favorable choices are also on the ballot.
--- End quote ---
Um. That's already the case.
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Game theory disagrees. You're right in theory, but you know that you're probably not going to get your way if you don't vote D or R. And it's the only vote you've got. People who don't want Democrats or Republicans in office would no longer have to choose between making a statement or keeping a certain candidate out of office.
--- Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 21, 2010, 06:47:48 pm ---
--- Quote ---Another important consequence of Approval Voting is that the strategy of relying on political attack ads becomes significantly riskier. Attacks may alienate independent and third party voters who, in Approval Voting, are just as important for determining the outcome as is any other voter.
--- End quote ---
Also already true. As Cain has pointed out many times, "independent" means "right wing nutjob", and we already know who they're going to vote for, no matter what they say ahead of time. Hell, the teabaggers are already saying they'll be "forced" to bite the bullet and vote GOP.
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Not so. I consider myself an independent because I decide on who to vote for based on the candidate, not the party. And then there's the swing voters.
--- Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 21, 2010, 06:47:48 pm ---
--- Quote ---Approval Voting is exactly like the plurality system that is generally used in America today except for one twist: Instead of voting for any single candidate, Approval Voting allows you the option of voting for any number of candidates for a given office. The candidate who collects the most votes wins.
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Because the 2000 recount just wasn't funny enough. :lulz:
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What it amounts to is that the candidate with the most support wins. A candidate is not a political party. Why should a party have only one representative?
Jasper:
--- Quote from: LMNO on July 21, 2010, 06:57:37 pm ---I think what Dok may be getting at (and if he isn't, then I certainly am) is that it doesn't really matter how you vote for something if a system is already in place to make certain that some candidates are more viable than others, based upon factors other than their ideas and competence.
That is to say, corporate money.
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The nice thing about approval voting in our era is that, with the internet, this system would level the playing field with corporate shills and would-be dark horse candidates.
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