Psychedelics question

[BadBeast]

I've been looking like kerazy for the book that I read it in, but my flats like a pigsty, my head is a shed, and, well, excuses mean nothing. Having said that, it will turn up sooner or later, and when it does, rest assured, I'll post a link to it, or reference the source. Failing that, I'll take a bunch of mushrooms, go to the Doctors, and tell him I'm feeling a little strained, and see what he diagnoses.

[AFK]

I've been looking like kerazy for the book that I read it in, but my flats like a pigsty, my head is a shed, and, well, excuses mean nothing. Having said that, it will turn up sooner or later, and when it does, rest assured, I'll post a link to it, or reference the source. Failing that, I'll take a bunch of mushrooms, go to the Doctors, and tell him I'm feeling a little strained, and see what he diagnoses.

Well a clinical research project is a bit more rigorous than an office-visit.  And they are very typically longitudinal studies, which means they happen over the course of an expansive amount of time.  Also, these studies will have protocols for weeding out false positives.  It would take an awful lot of very clever spoofing to throw off a longitudinal study.   

[Cramulus]

Ok, so I really want to try shrooms, LSD and MDMA(all of them mainly out of curiousity), but I have a problem. My dad has a mild case of schizophrenia, my aunt is a total schizophrenic and his mother also had schizophrenia. My cousins(aunt's children) are ok, and they've done drugs. I've smoked really potent pot, and in Amsterdam I ate space-cake and it was great - no side effects. What are the risks of different drugs to trigger schizophrenia for me?

personally, I would avoid LSD and shrooms until you're a bit older - IIRC the risk of triggering psychedelics triggering latent schizophrenia goes down in your 20s.

The connection between psychedelics and schizophrenia is fairly well documented, but I don't recall reading anything about it being triggered by MDMA.

[BabylonHoruv]

I think I referenced it in an earlier post in this thread, so without being a sodomistic necrophiliac (ie beating a dead horse) check out www.erowind.org for all your true drug information and stories...

www.erowid.org

User submitted doesn't necessarily mean it's reliable.

I'm also not sure what the sodomy or the philia have anything to do with beating the dead horse.

yeah, we all know beating a dead horse is sadonecrobestiality.

[Chairman Risus]

I think I referenced it in an earlier post in this thread, so without being a sodomistic necrophiliac (ie beating a dead horse) check out www.erowind.org for all your true drug information and stories...

www.erowid.org

User submitted doesn't necessarily mean it's reliable.

I'm also not sure what the sodomy or the philia have anything to do with beating the dead horse.

yeah, we all know beating a dead horse is sadonecrobestiality.

I'm still baffled as to why bestiality is included. Are the beatings precoital?

[Iron Sulfide]

I think I referenced it in an earlier post in this thread, so without being a sodomistic necrophiliac (ie beating a dead horse) check out www.erowind.org for all your true drug information and stories...

www.erowid.org

User submitted doesn't necessarily mean it's reliable.

I'm also not sure what the sodomy or the philia have anything to do with beating the dead horse.

yeah, we all know beating a dead horse is sadonecrobestiality.

I'm still baffled as to why bestiality is included. Are the beatings precoital?

Technically, what he said was "anal type sex with the deceased". No horses were involved.

The proper term would be Necro-Sadistic Equestrian. Otherwise, at best, you're "raping a dead horse".

And I copyrighted the phrase "raping a dead horse" in June of 2000. Please cease and desist it's implied usage.

[BadBeast]

I've been looking like kerazy for the book that I read it in, but my flats like a pigsty, my head is a shed, and, well, excuses mean nothing. Having said that, it will turn up sooner or later, and when it does, rest assured, I'll post a link to it, or reference the source. Failing that, I'll take a bunch of mushrooms, go to the Doctors, and tell him I'm feeling a little strained, and see what he diagnoses.

Well a clinical research project is a bit more rigorous than an office-visit.  And they are very typically longitudinal studies, which means they happen over the course of an expansive amount of time.  Also, these studies will have protocols for weeding out false positives.  It would take an awful lot of very clever spoofing to throw off a longitudinal study.   

OK then, what about three times a week, to different Doctors, for the next three months?

[BadBeast]

I think I referenced it in an earlier post in this thread, so without being a sodomistic necrophiliac (ie beating a dead horse) check out www.erowind.org for all your true drug information and stories...

www.erowid.org

User submitted doesn't necessarily mean it's reliable.

I'm also not sure what the sodomy or the philia have anything to do with beating the dead horse.

yeah, we all know beating a dead horse is sadonecrobestiality.

I'm still baffled as to why bestiality is included. Are the beatings precoital?

Technically, what he said was "anal type sex with the deceased". No horses were involved.

The proper term would be Necro-Sadistic Equestrian. Otherwise, at best, you're "raping a dead horse".

And I copyrighted the phrase "raping a dead horse" in June of 2000. Please cease and desist it's implied usage.

Raping a dead horse implies a lack of otherwise available consent. And as the fucker is dead, it can't withhold
consent, therefore it is technically consenting to sex. So you'd better get a move on, before a Frenchman comes to eat it. (The Horse, you pervert!)

[AFK]

I've been looking like kerazy for the book that I read it in, but my flats like a pigsty, my head is a shed, and, well, excuses mean nothing. Having said that, it will turn up sooner or later, and when it does, rest assured, I'll post a link to it, or reference the source. Failing that, I'll take a bunch of mushrooms, go to the Doctors, and tell him I'm feeling a little strained, and see what he diagnoses.

Well a clinical research project is a bit more rigorous than an office-visit.  And they are very typically longitudinal studies, which means they happen over the course of an expansive amount of time.  Also, these studies will have protocols for weeding out false positives.  It would take an awful lot of very clever spoofing to throw off a longitudinal study.   

OK then, what about three times a week, to different Doctors, for the next three months?

You're only one person.  And your paper trail would eventually, and probably pretty quickly, out you.  Fail. 

[BabylonHoruv]

I think I referenced it in an earlier post in this thread, so without being a sodomistic necrophiliac (ie beating a dead horse) check out www.erowind.org for all your true drug information and stories...

www.erowid.org

User submitted doesn't necessarily mean it's reliable.

I'm also not sure what the sodomy or the philia have anything to do with beating the dead horse.

yeah, we all know beating a dead horse is sadonecrobestiality.

I'm still baffled as to why bestiality is included. Are the beatings precoital?

Because sadism is a sexual act for the sadist.

[Placid Dingo]

I'm not a chemist but i thought the actual details of the substances on Erowid were accurate, and the user submitted stuff was explicitly labelled as such (with the standard disclamers).

[AFK]

It has a clear bias and agenda that is pro-drugs and it is very anti-police.  I also find the tiny little section on addiction to be unbalanced.  For hell's sake it is promoting "do-it-yourself detox", which is an awful idea.  Also, it has some very outdated sources.  There has been a lot of research done on drugs and drug addiction so I don't know why they are relying on information from 1992.  It feels like they are really just considering data and information that fits their agenda and paradigm. 

[East Coast Hustle]

Most (not all) of the technical/chemical information on erowid concerning specific drugs is accurate, but that's about as far as it goes. Most of the other stuff is hippie-dippy bullshit.

[Telarus]

It has a clear bias and agenda that is pro-drugs and it is very anti-police.  I also find the tiny little section on addiction to be unbalanced.  For hell's sake it is promoting "do-it-yourself detox", which is an awful idea.  Also, it has some very outdated sources.  There has been a lot of research done on drugs and drug addiction so I don't know why they are relying on information from 1992.  It feels like they are really just considering data and information that fits their agenda and paradigm.  

Erowid was a wiki style setup before wikipedia. User managed info pages, with all of the problems. There is good hard info there, but it's been drowned in many years worth of superficial, "LULZ, my Salvia TRIP was AW3S0me, I allmost fell down the St4iRs!".

It's like the reverse problem of reading occult books and eastern mysticism, plucking the pearls from the muck instead of gold from fools gold.

"Pro-drugs" is an awful, naivette, and generalized position, which glosses over hundreds of years of of chemical research and neuro-psycho-somatics. Basically turning RAW's phrase "War on (Some) Drugs" into "I'm Pro-(my favorite, but I won't mention those)-Drugs!" in order to give useful idiots a warcry to scare the rest of the Machine^TM with.. It makes people sound like the Tea Party.

I'm with L.E.A.P, I take the view of Anti-Prohibitionists mostly. If we take all of the actual physical real harm involved in the War on (Some) Drugs situation, and venn-diagram out the root causes the act of keeping these substances in the black market via force of threat of arrest drives the violence and dishonesty in the communities, as well as in the ranks of those selected to enforce this threat of arrest.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/16/georgia.botched.raid/index.html

The city of Atlanta will pay $4.9 million to the family of Kathryn Johnston, a 92-year-old woman killed in a botched November 2006 drug raid, Mayor Kasim Reed's office announced Monday.

Johnston was shot to death by narcotics officers conducting a "no-knock" warrant. Investigators later determined the raid was based on falsified paperwork stating that illegal drugs were present in the home.

...

Last year, former officer Jason Smith was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison, while former officers Greg Junnier and Arthur Tesler were sentenced to six and five years, respectively.

All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.

...

Tesler was convicted on one state count of making false statements after filling out an affidavit saying that an informant had purchased crack cocaine at Johnston's home, in a crime-plagued neighborhood near downtown Atlanta.

The informant, however, denied ever having been to Johnston's home, leading to probes by federal and state authorities as well as the breakup and reorganization of the narcotics unit.

Tesler's state conviction was reversed on appeal. According to their plea agreements, Junnier and Smith will serve their state sentences concurrently with the federal sentence.

Shortly after the probe began, Junnier began cooperating with authorities, providing "valuable assistance in the investigation and prosecution of Smith and Tesler," according to a statement issued last year by federal prosecutors. Smith also cooperated to a lesser extent, and both men's sentences were reduced in exchange for their cooperation.

Prosecutors have said that officers regularly presented false information to obtain warrants and that they cut corners to make more time for lucrative side jobs providing additional security to businesses, often while on duty, and receiving cash payments.

The investigation into the botched raid also led to guilty pleas from the police sergeant in charge of the narcotics unit and another officer who admitted to extortion, authorities said.

By the way, a Google Timeline search for +"botched drug raid" results in about 3,790 results from 1990-2010.

[Triple Zero]

Most (not all) of the technical/chemical information on erowid concerning specific drugs is accurate, but that's about as far as it goes. Most of the other stuff is hippie-dippy bullshit.

Erowid has been useful for me for at least one thing, suggesting to add Celestial Seasonings Mandarin Orange Spice tea to my shrooms-tea. It is 1) a pretty damn tasty tea, and 2) combined really well with the shrooms and 3) now every time I drink it, I'm reminded of that wonderful afternoon