Psychedelics question

[Don Coyote]

It was about twenty days i am not sure exactly.  I did not sleep but i would goto bed and rest by closing my eyes and laying there for hours until the morning eight hours or more very very boring. 

Sounds like sleep. Even if you woke up every hour or half hour.

[DeusExMachina]

unequivocal absolute bullshit.

you'd be dead, end of story.
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Not really, i suggested that it is possible i did sleep as i was not under the observation of somebody else i cannot prove that i didn't.  I am certain i did not sleep and offered an alternative that i may have been in deep meditation to get rest lowering my brain activity and only using my consciousness and not my physical senses, and the functions of my brain stem.  I was quite clear that i offered alternatives and I cannot explain exactly what happened without having somebody observe me, so it was not unequivocal.

As for being dead may i direct you here again
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/2855/

Just to make it clearer for you, from this article

'According to Dr. Wadhwa, one explanation could be in perception. He says that for some insomniacs, the ability to clearly observe the difference between sleep and wakefulness may be lacking. "The subject may feel they are merely resting when in actuality they are sleeping. They may also be having "Micro naps"—very short naps lasting minutes," he said.'

[East Coast Hustle]

in other words, sleeping.

"DUR, I WENT 20 DAYS WITHOUT SLEEPING, EXCEPT FOR THE NAPS I TOOK EVERY DAY."

[DeusExMachina]

in other words, sleeping.

"DUR, I WENT 20 DAYS WITHOUT SLEEPING, EXCEPT FOR THE NAPS I TOOK EVERY DAY."

In other words i am admitting i could be wrong.  I am also showing the possibility that which i believe is what happened.  I thought i would do the job of showing that i could be wrong objectively, because it seemed that was something you seemed unable to do.

[East Coast Hustle]

"In other words, I posted some stupid shit to try to show how CRAZY and EXTREME I am and got called out on being full of shit, now I'm backpedalling furiously."

Is how I read that.

[East Coast Hustle]

PROTIP: it's OK to just say "yeah, I was full of shit, my bad."

People here will respect that and let it go much quicker than if you just keep on keeping on.

[LMNO]

Or, he could have essentially reflected what the articles state as accurately as possible, that it was probably subjective:

"There was a period of about 20 days when I honestly thought I hadn't slept at all-- I know that sounds impossible, and it probably didn't happen that way, but I swear that's what it felt like.  Hell, even if I didn't actually, can you imagine just feeling that way?"

[DeusExMachina]

"In other words, I posted some stupid shit to try to show how CRAZY and EXTREME I am and got called out on being full of shit, now I'm backpedalling furiously."

Is how I read that.

Read what? Your post of "unequivocal absolute bullshit. you'd be dead, end of story."

Yes i agree

[DeusExMachina]

Perhaps your right Dok but i don't usually find the need to explain the subjective world and the objective world differently, what i was trying to explain was that my objectivity was to acknowledge and note the subjective experiences without forming a definite conclusion.  We all know that the subjective world is subject to the objective rules of physics and so on but we do not find the need to say.

" On the way home today i honestly thought and i know this sounds weird and it probably didn't happen like this, but the bus ran over somebody lying down on the road, if felt like we did, i thought i heard a man scream and a crunching noise, and i felt terrible, even if that didn't happen can you imagine how horrible i felt"

[Doktor Howl]

I'm an insomniac, due to medical problems too hilarious to discuss.  Without my medication, I will sometimes go days (50-75 hours without sleeping).  After 30 hours, you are incapable of doing much of anything.  After 40 hours, it's actually painful to be conscious.  At 50+ hours, you're a raving lunatic.  At 60 hours, you're basically a vegetable.

So I call bullshit on DEM.  Period, end of story. 

[LMNO]

Perhaps your right Dok but i don't usually find the need to explain the subjective world and the objective world differently, what i was trying to explain was that my objectivity was to acknowledge and note the subjective experiences without forming a definite conclusion.  We all know that the subjective world is subject to the objective rules of physics and so on but we do not find the need to say.

" On the way home today i honestly thought and i know this sounds weird and it probably didn't happen like this, but the bus ran over somebody lying down on the road, if felt like we did, i thought i heard a man scream and a crunching noise, and i felt terrible, even if that didn't happen can you imagine how horrible i felt"

"I didn't sleep for 20 days"
"It felt like I hadn't slept in 20 days."

One takes the appearance of objective truth, even when such truth is biologically improbable.
The other conveys your experience, which is much close to any sort of truth you are relating.

ECH is reacting to what you wrote, that you didn't sleep for 20 days.  When you responded by saying, "oh, i was relating my subjective experience," that opened you up to the accusation of bullshitting/backpedaling.

You don't have to take my advice of how to convey your experiences, of course.  But you will be posting a lot more trying to clarify yourself if you don't.

[BadBeast]

I was awake for 20 days, but it all felt like a dream.  Then I woke up. (I didn't even know I was sleeping)

[Doktor Howl]

I think you have to travel to insanity and view it objectively, come back to sanity and view it objectively.

Now I fucking hate you.

[LMNO]

I was awake for 20 days, but not in a row.

[DeusExMachina]

I think you have to travel to insanity and view it objectively, come back to sanity and view it objectively.  I have found that drugs can take you near but unless you have a near death experience with them you will only get close.  I went to insanity once, admittedly i was smoking weed at the time but it was the fact that i had not slept for about twenty days that took me to the point where the walls fell down and my mind was about to go to the point of no return. Sleep.  Anyway after watching the show for a little while and feeling physical effects from what i was seeing i decided enough and ended it. Now i have quite a gift for understanding and communicating  with people who are "insane", i am not insane but paradoxically i am, but i am sane as well.

In my opinion drugs take a lot longer to send you insane but they gradually show you a perspective from an insane viewpoint where all conventional  sanity is seen as insanity, useful for dipping into occasionally to break the spell if you will from mass hypnosis not only from media but from language and communication.  I would prefer an alternative and i think the only one would be deep meditation.  Maybe i will get back to that once i stop smoking.  

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Actually, I can't see how you can view anything with objectivity, if, by your own admission, you're insane. How would you know if you could trust your own judgement or not? How do you know "you went to insanity" once? A Weed High can be a bit mad, but at the end of the day, it's not "insane".

Also, the "20 days without sleep" is a wildly exaggerated claim, and not at all objective. I know from personal experience, and Clinical Research, that at any point approaching 10 days without sleep, you are at a very definite limit. There is a very real danger of death, that increases by the hour by day ten. You will have no cognitive skills to speak of, your motor skills are packing up minute by minute, your liver, kidneys, and heart, are suffering from toxiosis, due to build up of stress hormones. The simplest tasks, such as eating a bowl of soup, are beyond your power. You can't remember simple things like the names of family members, how to use simple items like lightswitches. The record for going without sleep is nearly 12 days. Even if given huge (and I do mean huge) doses of Amphetamine at this point, there is only maybe another day it can give you.  

Your "gift for understanding and communicating  with people who are "insane", Is this under clinical conditions, or a therapeutic environment? Or just talking to mad people? (For fun, not science) The tricky thing, in this life, is to be able to "understand and communicate" with people who are apparently sane. The Insane will sit and talk to themselves, or a fellow patient, or a fucking Rubber plant for hours and hours. Then have no recall of the discourse. How are you any different to the Rubber plant?
But you're not totally without merit, and I'm really not attacking you. At 26, I

After about nine days of not sleeping i was experiencing visual and audio hallucinations which would last until i looked away or willed them away i was aware that these were not real but that did not stop them effecting me but i attempted to reason what the meaning of the hallucinations were and were these a product of a creative imagination or messages from my sub-conscious or was i observing an outside phonomena.

I know i went to insanity once or perhaps i should have said the closest i could be without actually falling into it because i was seeing  what i can describe as a humanoid shape about seven feet tall appearing from a vortex in front of me. It was black like a shadow and it had spike like apendages and an over sized gaping gash like a mouth.  When it appeared it changed the definition of dread for me because that is the only way i can describe the physical feeling i felt in my chest.  It phased in and out and moved position next to my face in front of me and so on.  Then I could hear several different voices all talking incomprehensibly in one ear, then both ears which gradually became more aggressive and it seemed if i was hearing with my ears would be deafening.  Whilst this was happening I was just observing and not particularly bothered by it because i knew it was my imagination and if it was really an interdimensional being it couldn't physically strike me or hurt me. This continued for a while and the feeling of dread became a lot worse and i felt like i was losing myself, the best way i can describe it is my mind felt like a non-shatter ruler when you bend it and it is about to snap.  At that point i thought i better do something and willed it to disappear and it did back into the vortex eventually.  Like i said admittedly i was smoking weed at the time but i wasn't high it was from the not sleeping the effects came from, i think the weed made my insomnia worse.

It was about twenty days i am not sure exactly.  I did not sleep but i would goto bed and rest by closing my eyes and laying there for hours until the morning eight hours or more very very boring.  I would often check my watch every hour or so to see how long i had to lay there.  This was not done under lab conditions and it is not something i would care to repeat believe what you will, that i was meditating or whatever and just for the record there is a man who has not slept by eating raw vegatables i can't find the documentary i am sure someone else could but this will have todo
http://news.softpedia.com/news/This-Man-Has-Not-Been-Sleeping-For-34-Years-62224.shtml

No this is not under clinical conditions i would like to do some work with the mentally ill but unless i did volunteer work it is unlikely i will.  I have managed to converse with several people who are mentally ill and get sense out of them where others cannot on a couple of occasions.  If someone suffers from acute alzheimer's or dementia i doubt it would matter.

Correct me if i am wrong but my reply to ECH was .


Not really, i suggested that it is possible i did sleep as i was not under the observation of somebody else i cannot prove that i didn't.  I am certain i did not sleep and offered an alternative that i may have been in deep meditation to get rest lowering my brain activity and only using my consciousness and not my physical senses, and the functions of my brain stem.  I was quite clear that i offered alternatives and I cannot explain exactly what happened without having somebody observe me, so it was not unequivocal.

As for being dead may i direct you here again
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/2855/

Just to make it clearer for you, from this article

'According to Dr. Wadhwa, one explanation could be in perception. He says that for some insomniacs, the ability to clearly observe the difference between sleep and wakefulness may be lacking. "The subject may feel they are merely resting when in actuality they are sleeping. They may also be having "Micro naps"—very short naps lasting minutes," he said.'

I don't believe i said there i was relating my subjective experience