Why I hate the western martial arts community

[Adios]

the only time I actually used to enjoy getting in a physical confrontation when I was a bouncer was when some fool decided to bust out his "kung fu" or "taekwondo", the practical result of which was almost always that they left themselves open for a punch to the solar plexus and/or a wristlock.

I think,however, that Cudgel is referring to swordfighting rather than hand-to-hand combat. While swordfighting looks really cool when done well, it's really no match for my .380 semi-auto.

Oh! Well, I have a sword, but would drop it if a fight broke out, otherwise I might cut my damn fool head off. Or I would hide behind Suu.

[Don Coyote]

the only time I actually used to enjoy getting in a physical confrontation when I was a bouncer was when some fool decided to bust out his "kung fu" or "taekwondo", the practical result of which was almost always that they left themselves open for a punch to the solar plexus and/or a wristlock.

I think,however, that Cudgel is referring to swordfighting rather than hand-to-hand combat. While swordfighting looks really cool when done well, it's really no match for my .380 semi-auto.

I was primarily referring to the ninnies that focus exclusively on the sword, out of armor, and still look like a bunch of spastic retarded pussies. Because it's not like there were grappling arts that went along with that 'fancy' sword work, oh shit there are. But no one wants to do the wrestling, sword fighting is so much cooler.
"HOLD, now get back to opposite sides of lists." 'WTF? just because Sir Douchebag has no idea how to break my grappling move and can't fall without breakign his precious white belted ass, you are going to keep resetting the fight to be more favorable to him?" "It isn't safe"

Nevermind that too many groups practice unarmored longsword techniques, badly, in armor. "Hey guys you do know that there is an entire section devoted to that, and you aren't using it?" "Whatever man, you can't halfsword in a real fight. Besides it isn't as cool." "NOT AS COOL???"

[East Coast Hustle]

the only time I actually used to enjoy getting in a physical confrontation when I was a bouncer was when some fool decided to bust out his "kung fu" or "taekwondo", the practical result of which was almost always that they left themselves open for a punch to the solar plexus and/or a wristlock.

I think,however, that Cudgel is referring to swordfighting rather than hand-to-hand combat. While swordfighting looks really cool when done well, it's really no match for my .380 semi-auto.

Oh! Well, I have a sword, but would drop it if a fight broke out, otherwise I might cut my damn fool head off. Or I would hide behind Suu.

my thought exactly.

I present the following exchange from the night after we got back to port:

Shipmate: "You ready to go out to the bars?"

ECH: "Yup, just gotta brush my teeth and put my pocketknife back in my locker."

Shipmate: "You should probably bring it with you. We have to walk through the ghetto for a few blocks to get where we're going."

ECH: "My knife's not very good for deflecting bullets. I think I'll leave it here and show you how fast a big man can run if it comes to that."

[East Coast Hustle]

Also, fighting with a knife when you don't know what you're doing is a REALLY bad idea. I imagine a sword is the same x10. I've got the SAS knife fighting manual and have studied it and practiced much of it, and what it taught me is that the most important part of knife-fighting is knowing how to avoid getting knifed by the other guy. 99 times out of 100 I'm going to be better off having full use of both hands in close-quarters combat.

[Don Coyote]

ECH wins.

You can't lose the fight you never get into.

And that reminds me of another beef.

People who for some reason think they are going to at any moment need to use their epic sword fighting prowess in a real life or death fight. And then they use that a reasoning to move into sparring way before they are ready. "Ya um dude, chill out wait like a year of drilling and then maybe we will start free play" "No fuck you dude, I want to fight now. I am going to find someone else that really does the real shit not some fucking poser with some made of kata" "You do know that we haven't used swords in combat for over 2 centuries right?" 'fuck you dude. I want to learn the real stuff and I want it now. I have to defend my castle from invaders."

Basically, they want to spar as soon as possible because they want to fight swords, and then they end up making up techniques that only work under the controlled conditions of their sparring, instead of bothering to focus on what we know.
"Dude I just discovered a secret move?" "Oh really?" "ya one that wasn't in any of your books" "Go on" "You know just because they didn't say do this in that situation doesn't mean that they didn't" "I bet you also think that there are still WMDs in Iraq" "Fuck you dude, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

[Adios]

the only time I actually used to enjoy getting in a physical confrontation when I was a bouncer was when some fool decided to bust out his "kung fu" or "taekwondo", the practical result of which was almost always that they left themselves open for a punch to the solar plexus and/or a wristlock.

I think,however, that Cudgel is referring to swordfighting rather than hand-to-hand combat. While swordfighting looks really cool when done well, it's really no match for my .380 semi-auto.

Oh! Well, I have a sword, but would drop it if a fight broke out, otherwise I might cut my damn fool head off. Or I would hide behind Suu.

my thought exactly.

I present the following exchange from the night after we got back to port:

Shipmate: "You ready to go out to the bars?"

ECH: "Yup, just gotta brush my teeth and put my pocketknife back in my locker."

Shipmate: "You should probably bring it with you. We have to walk through the ghetto for a few blocks to get where we're going."

ECH: "My knife's not very good for deflecting bullets. I think I'll leave it here and show you how fast a big man can run if it comes to that."

Damn straight. Knife fighting is an art, and totally worthless against a gun.

[Adios]

ECH wins.

You can't lose the fight you never get into.

And that reminds me of another beef.

People who for some reason think they are going to at any moment need to use their epic sword fighting prowess in a real life or death fight. And then they use that a reasoning to move into sparring way before they are ready. "Ya um dude, chill out wait like a year of drilling and then maybe we will start free play" "No fuck you dude, I want to fight now. I am going to find someone else that really does the real shit not some fucking poser with some made of kata" "You do know that we haven't used swords in combat for over 2 centuries right?" 'fuck you dude. I want to learn the real stuff and I want it now. I have to defend my castle from invaders."

Basically, they want to spar as soon as possible because they want to fight swords, and then they end up making up techniques that only work under the controlled conditions of their sparring, instead of bothering to focus on what we know.
"Dude I just discovered a secret move?" "Oh really?" "ya one that wasn't in any of your books" "Go on" "You know just because they didn't say do this in that situation doesn't mean that they didn't" "I bet you also think that there are still WMDs in Iraq" "Fuck you dude, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

When I was taking martial arts they always taught you not to fight, and that what you were learning was defensive. I never fully subscribed, sometimes there is no other choice, but the princpile seems to have been replaced/lost with competition dojos.

[Don Coyote]

When I was taking martial arts they always taught you not to fight, and that what you were learning was defensive. I never fully subscribed, sometimes there is no other choice, but the princpile seems to have been replaced/lost with competition dojos.

That's my beef with the current Army combative system. They start off teaching you how to make a transition from standing to the ground. They teach you to roll around on the ground and use submission holds. You have to be willing to do level 1 to get to level 2, when they start teaching strikes, to level 3, when they had...stick fighting, to level 4 when they teach you how to do all that shit but in your full battle-rattle.

[Adios]

When I was taking martial arts they always taught you not to fight, and that what you were learning was defensive. I never fully subscribed, sometimes there is no other choice, but the princpile seems to have been replaced/lost with competition dojos.

That's my beef with the current Army combative system. They start off teaching you how to make a transition from standing to the ground. They teach you to roll around on the ground and use submission holds. You have to be willing to do level 1 to get to level 2, when they start teaching strikes, to level 3, when they had...stick fighting, to level 4 when they teach you how to do all that shit but in your full battle-rattle.

At my age I will take your knees away from you. If you can't get up then you can't hurt me.

[Kai]

ECH wins.

You can't lose the fight you never get into.

And that reminds me of another beef.

People who for some reason think they are going to at any moment need to use their epic sword fighting prowess in a real life or death fight. And then they use that a reasoning to move into sparring way before they are ready. "Ya um dude, chill out wait like a year of drilling and then maybe we will start free play" "No fuck you dude, I want to fight now. I am going to find someone else that really does the real shit not some fucking poser with some made of kata" "You do know that we haven't used swords in combat for over 2 centuries right?" 'fuck you dude. I want to learn the real stuff and I want it now. I have to defend my castle from invaders."

Basically, they want to spar as soon as possible because they want to fight swords, and then they end up making up techniques that only work under the controlled conditions of their sparring, instead of bothering to focus on what we know.
"Dude I just discovered a secret move?" "Oh really?" "ya one that wasn't in any of your books" "Go on" "You know just because they didn't say do this in that situation doesn't mean that they didn't" "I bet you also think that there are still WMDs in Iraq" "Fuck you dude, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

When I was taking martial arts they always taught you not to fight, and that what you were learning was defensive. I never fully subscribed, sometimes there is no other choice, but the princpile seems to have been replaced/lost with competition dojos.

This is one of the reasons I really liked Tai Chi Chuan. I was instructed to avoid a fight if at all possible, to remove oneself from danger, to keep a fight from happening in the first place. I was also taught that if it came to a fight, go straight for the neck, the eyes, the solar plexus, the groin, and any other easily damaged part. End it as soon as possible, break an elbow if needed, but end it. Tai Chi is /dirty/ fighting, and dirty fighting is the only way to fight if you have to.

[Thurnez Isa]

This is my form of martial arts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

[Don Coyote]

Cobb's Traverse
Retreating indefinitely (running away, sometimes called the "ninth parry").

[East Coast Hustle]

ECH wins.

You can't lose the fight you never get into.

And that reminds me of another beef.

People who for some reason think they are going to at any moment need to use their epic sword fighting prowess in a real life or death fight. And then they use that a reasoning to move into sparring way before they are ready. "Ya um dude, chill out wait like a year of drilling and then maybe we will start free play" "No fuck you dude, I want to fight now. I am going to find someone else that really does the real shit not some fucking poser with some made of kata" "You do know that we haven't used swords in combat for over 2 centuries right?" 'fuck you dude. I want to learn the real stuff and I want it now. I have to defend my castle from invaders."

Basically, they want to spar as soon as possible because they want to fight swords, and then they end up making up techniques that only work under the controlled conditions of their sparring, instead of bothering to focus on what we know.
"Dude I just discovered a secret move?" "Oh really?" "ya one that wasn't in any of your books" "Go on" "You know just because they didn't say do this in that situation doesn't mean that they didn't" "I bet you also think that there are still WMDs in Iraq" "Fuck you dude, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

When I was taking martial arts they always taught you not to fight, and that what you were learning was defensive. I never fully subscribed, sometimes there is no other choice, but the princpile seems to have been replaced/lost with competition dojos.

This is one of the reasons I really liked Tai Chi Chuan. I was instructed to avoid a fight if at all possible, to remove oneself from danger, to keep a fight from happening in the first place. I was also taught that if it came to a fight, go straight for the neck, the eyes, the solar plexus, the groin, and any other easily damaged part. End it as soon as possible, break an elbow if needed, but end it. Tai Chi is /dirty/ fighting, and dirty fighting is the only way to fight if you have to.

That's how I feel about it. I've gained an erroneous reputation for being able to kick anyone's ass, when the reality is that I'm just really good at NOT getting my ass kicked (also at looking scary enough to prevent a confrontation in the first place, which is an incredibly effective technique if you can pull it off). Why throw a punch when a wristlock or armbar is infinitely more effective? And if I do have to strike, I'm going for the instep, knee, or clavicle first. I want the advantage of having more usable limbs than the other guy. A fight that devolves into a swinging melee is a good way to get hurt.

[Requia ☣]

ECH wins.

You can't lose the fight you never get into.

And that reminds me of another beef.

People who for some reason think they are going to at any moment need to use their epic sword fighting prowess in a real life or death fight. And then they use that a reasoning to move into sparring way before they are ready. "Ya um dude, chill out wait like a year of drilling and then maybe we will start free play" "No fuck you dude, I want to fight now. I am going to find someone else that really does the real shit not some fucking poser with some made of kata" "You do know that we haven't used swords in combat for over 2 centuries right?" 'fuck you dude. I want to learn the real stuff and I want it now. I have to defend my castle from invaders."

Basically, they want to spar as soon as possible because they want to fight swords, and then they end up making up techniques that only work under the controlled conditions of their sparring, instead of bothering to focus on what we know.
"Dude I just discovered a secret move?" "Oh really?" "ya one that wasn't in any of your books" "Go on" "You know just because they didn't say do this in that situation doesn't mean that they didn't" "I bet you also think that there are still WMDs in Iraq" "Fuck you dude, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

When I was taking martial arts they always taught you not to fight, and that what you were learning was defensive. I never fully subscribed, sometimes there is no other choice, but the princpile seems to have been replaced/lost with competition dojos.

This is one of the reasons I really liked Tai Chi Chuan. I was instructed to avoid a fight if at all possible, to remove oneself from danger, to keep a fight from happening in the first place. I was also taught that if it came to a fight, go straight for the neck, the eyes, the solar plexus, the groin, and any other easily damaged part. End it as soon as possible, break an elbow if needed, but end it. Tai Chi is /dirty/ fighting, and dirty fighting is the only way to fight if you have to.

I'd be careful with that advice, actually knowing how to fight is a good way to get 'self defense' thrown out by the judge (this actually happened to me, and I didn't even cause any lasting damage).

[Jasper]

Half brick in a sock-fu.  Failing that, use secret technique: fist of the "avert gaze and run away".