The Pledge of Allegiance

[Triple Zero]

So far, yeah. It's keeping me fed, too. And supporting with my "difficulties".

However, if the Wilders shit keeps going the way it's going this might change. I'm definitely not proud of the part of the population that voted for him.

[Lord Cataplanga]

I guess I'm glad I was born here (It's not a first world country, but it could have been worse...).

I didn't chose to be born here and didn't do anything to deserve it, so it's not something I can feel proud about, just like I don't feel "proud" of being male or having green eyes.

[Doktor Howl]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

[Adios]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

But the Knights couldn't get 'Under God' added to that.

[E.O.T.]

HMM,

         as someone who has visited Holland (all parts, not just Amsterdam) many times, for over a decade, I've certainly noticed a few things which I'd like to comment on;

1) the public/ street activity (hasslers/ beggars/ thieves) is rapidly degrading, not improving - arguably all identifiable as obvious transient activity.

2) love 'em as I do, waaay too many Dutch folk live off the public dole (particularly youth (WTF???!!!). it's a fucking joke.

3) half the people I know would be trying to live there if it weren't for the strict immigration laws (which I agree with) and although current politics may be of the "nutter" variety, it's because your country is going rapidly from "we re-built ourselves-post-war" to "were-falling-apart-new-world-order-style"

OR

         Holland - Europe's own California!!

[E.O.T.]

ERRATUM:

          i did mean that as a reply to trip (000), so's not to confuse.

ALSO0,

          seriously. i was staying on Herr n gracht on and off for a few years and was shocked by how rapidly the whole district turned into a fucking crack-districkt by 2003. I've avoided the main center and pretty much just visited friends in Arnhem etc, since. no fun getting hassled by beggars & ruffians, i've got that here in p-towns failing fantasy.

[Jenne]

The rending of the fabric of society, the split between those who are educated and know history vs. those who had the watered down 1960's version, is starting to come into stark relief with things like the pledge of allegiance, etc.  ETA:  in other words, it's sort of a placeholder in terms of "the olden days" for those who want to preserve that time in our history as a "nation."  Meanwhile, the generations coming up aren't seeing the "significance" of saying the pledge, mostly because it's not really needed to unify the culture anymore.

We have media to do that...American Idol does more to create groupthink than any religious leavings of the nineteenth century.

[Telarus]

American Idol does more to create groupthink than any religious leavings of the nineteenth century.

YANKED. Thanks for the excellent quote, Jenne.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

Might instruct my kids to do just that...

[Jenne]

American Idol does more to create groupthink than any religious leavings of the nineteenth century.

YANKED. Thanks for the excellent quote, Jenne.

Hey, you're welcome. 

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

Might instruct my kids to do just that...

My kid READ the preamble about 4 years ago for a history assignment and decided enough was enough and stopped saying it altogether.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

[BabylonHoruv]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

But the Knights couldn't get 'Under God' added to that.

We could use the bit about nature and her god.  I think that's from the declaration.

[Doktor Howl]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

But the Knights couldn't get 'Under God' added to that.

We could use the bit about nature and her god.  I think that's from the declaration.

The declaration is an historical document only, and carries no weight of law.

[Freeky]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

But the Knights couldn't get 'Under God' added to that.

We could use the bit about nature and her god.  I think that's from the declaration.

The declaration is an historical document only, and carries no weight of law.

Wait, is this a post-American generation whatever type observation, or are you for real?

[Doktor Howl]

Fuck the pledge.  If we want our kids to understand what they were supposed to have, have the little bastards recite the preamble.

But the Knights couldn't get 'Under God' added to that.

We could use the bit about nature and her god.  I think that's from the declaration.

The declaration is an historical document only, and carries no weight of law.

Wait, is this a post-American generation whatever type observation, or are you for real?

For real.  The declaration of independence is not, nor has it ever been, any form of law.

It was basically just a list of bitches and a kthxbai.