Great Firewall for make glorious U.S. internets!

[Doktor Howl]

Leahy's a real surprise, especially the fact that he's the author. 

[Hoser McRhizzy]

Rhizome, don't you wish YOU lived in America™, instead of Red Canada?

They won't let me in unless I learn to say "Wouldn't you like to see a picture of me holding an AK47?" with a straight face.  

But if this goes through, it won't matter where you are (from what I understood in the Geist article).  The U.S. blocks it -- it's blocked everywhere...  But that's just for some domain names.

Still getting my head around this, honestly.  Trying to figure out how it'd be any different from Tunisia, Saudi Arabia (etcetcetc).  Sure, we can guess how it'll be *spun* differently, but how it'll be different in practice?  No idea.  Morbidly wondering what the block page might look like...  who already has the contract...

[Doktor Howl]

But if this goes through, it won't matter where you are (from what I understood in the Geist article).  The U.S. blocks it -- it's blocked everywhere...  But that's just for some domain names.

Well, yes.  It's our interbutts, if you want to talk with economic terrorists, you'll have to make your own.

Still getting my head around this, honestly.  Trying to figure out how it'd be any different from Tunisia, Saudi Arabia (etcetcetc).  

Because we're censoring it for Freedom™, and they're doing it because they're tyrants.

I fail to see how this is so hard to understand.

[Requia ☣]

Anyone know if using a proxy outside of the US would get around this?

I'm sure within 30 seconds of this going up there will be alternate DNS servers that ignore the law, no need for a fullblown proxy.

[Cain]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Voinivich, we hardly knew ya!  Siding with Hatch?  Oh, my!  

My guess is, it sails through committee gathering riders like barnacles, and will be opposed by Russ Feingold and the ghost of William Howard Taft, and nobody else.

And nobody will do much of anything to stop it.  Americans simply don't have the concern or the intestinal fortitude to do a fucking thing the government doesn't allow.

Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul will probably chip in and similarly be ignored.

Anyway I'm sure the AG will never abuse this power by, say, domain name blocking Al-Jazeera or Wikileaks.

[Doktor Howl]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Voinivich, we hardly knew ya!  Siding with Hatch?  Oh, my!  

My guess is, it sails through committee gathering riders like barnacles, and will be opposed by Russ Feingold and the ghost of William Howard Taft, and nobody else.

And nobody will do much of anything to stop it.  Americans simply don't have the concern or the intestinal fortitude to do a fucking thing the government doesn't allow.

Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul will probably chip in and similarly be ignored.

Anyway I'm sure the AG will never abuse this power by, say, domain name blocked Al-Jazeera or Wikileaks.

I think the internet is going to shrink like a democrat's enthusiasm, day fucking one.

[Cain]

At this stage, I'm not holding out much hope, unless the root servers get turned over to ACLU and Amnesty International or something, of the internet being even remotely free by 2030.

[The Johnny]

This really blows.

[Doktor Howl]

At this stage, I'm not holding out much hope, unless the root servers get turned over to ACLU and Amnesty International or something, of the internet being even remotely free by 2030.

Well, we'll have to hope for a rag-tag rebel alliance to save us, then, won't we?  

J/K.    By 2015, there'll be nothing but bad pron and ads for pills.  You will be required to watch both.

[Cramulus]

Anyone know if using a proxy outside of the US would get around this?

I'm sure within 30 seconds of this going up there will be alternate DNS servers that ignore the law, no need for a fullblown proxy.

that's what I wonder.

In my science fiction future, you'll have the internet, which is closely regulated and monitored.

and if you have a friend who can give you an access key, you can also get on one of the darknets, where all the piracy, gambling, and weird porn takes place.

I mean, the technology that the internet uses is actually pretty simple. I always wonder why we don't just build a second parallel system which is not technically "The Internet" and thereby dodges the legislation and regulation.

[Salty]

I wonder if there'll be reward money for turning in people using proxies or running anonymous servers.
I want to do my part to keep America safe.

[The Johnny]

Its just a small step from regulating the Internet to regulating the Darknets isnt it?

After all, telecommunications are stricly legislated - you cant just go and make a radio station, theres tons of permits and stuff that have to be approved right?

Besides Wikileaks, which other sites do you all think will be the first to go?

[Cain]

I think Cram, when we discussed this before, it was decided the main barrier to a parallel internet would be the cost of the physical infrastructure, which would be necessary to ensure a free internet.

I can see many, many groups being interested in such a project, however they'd have to devote years of their full operating budgets to such a project.  It might be possible to get some philantrophists behind the project as well, but it'd be a hard slog.

[Cain]

Its just a small step from regulating the Internet to regulating the Darknets isnt it?

After all, telecommunications are stricly legislated - you cant just go and make a radio station, theres tons of permits and stuff that have to be approved right?

Besides Wikileaks, which other sites do you all think will be the first to go?

Al-Jazeera
Cryptome
Any site owned by the Russian Business Network
The entire ir.gov subdomain.

[Remington]

Its just a small step from regulating the Internet to regulating the Darknets isnt it?

After all, telecommunications are stricly legislated - you cant just go and make a radio station, theres tons of permits and stuff that have to be approved right?

Besides Wikileaks, which other sites do you all think will be the first to go?

Al-Jazeera
Cryptome
Any site owned by the Russian Business Network
The entire ir.gov subdomain.

ACLU.org
Wikileaks
Amnesty.com
ThePirateBay.org
Wikileaks
Certain sections of Wikipedia