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our definitions of win differ.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Dok,
Will be ignoring your drivel in the future.

Wow. Is he saying that all of Korea should be under that maniac from the north? 

[Doktor Howl]

our definitions of win differ.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Dok,
Will be ignoring your drivel in the future.

Wow. Is he saying that all of Korea should be under that maniac from the north? 

No, he's saying he owned the fuck out of himself, and now he's going to dig his heels in and redefine the English language to avoid admitting he may have been wrong about something.

Diagnosis:  He's a howler monkey, not an actual person.

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and there's no way we'd ever win a land war against them.

Yeah, that's why we lost Korea. 

is that a pwny?  

The Pickle is unfamiliar with the proper use of this emote.

It signifies massive self-ownage.  In this case, on your part.

*looks at the war that followed it and the current state of relations in the country*

our definitions of win differ.

good link Charley, thnx.  I've done more down and dirty research on Vietnam than The Korean War, as far as battles goes. 

Grandfather was in Vietnam, but not Korea, so it isn't as personal a war for me.  I'll get to it all eventually though.

Explain please.

What do they teach in history classes these days? 

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You know, it often seems to me like the problem is that nobody is bothering to explain what the hell they're talking about.


For example:  DP, so what is your definition of 'win', and how does it contrast with what you think Dok Howl's is?

I mean, for fuck's sake.  You totally open yourself up to this shit when you say that there's a difference of terms, and then don't go on to explain what they are.

[Doktor Howl]

What do they teach in history classes these days? 

America = always bad.

Granted, we've done more than our share of misbehaving, but the trend for the last 25 years has been to discount anything we've actually accomplished, and blame us for EVERYTHING, no matter what.

So, for example, we "lost" Korea, even though we obtained all of our objectives in the war (return the North across the 38th parallel), and even though we fought a million or so Chinese to a standstill, and then pushed them back all the way to the 38th parallel.

And not only did we lose it, we were big meanies for picking on the helpless North.

[Doktor Howl]

You know, it often seems to me like the problem is that nobody is bothering to explain what the hell they're talking about.


For example:  DP, so what is your definition of 'win', and how does it contrast with what you think Dok Howl's is?

I mean, for fuck's sake.  You totally open yourself up to this shit when you say that there's a difference of terms, and then don't go on to explain what they are.

See above.

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What do they teach in history classes these days? 

America = always bad.

Granted, we've done more than our share of misbehaving, but the trend for the last 25 years has been to discount anything we've actually accomplished, and blame us for EVERYTHING, no matter what.

So, for example, we "lost" Korea, even though we obtained all of our objectives in the war (return the North across the 38th parallel), and even though we fought a million or so Chinese to a standstill, and then pushed them back all the way to the 38th parallel.

And not only did we lose it, we were big meanies for picking on the helpless North.

I suppose it would be redundant to point out that as per treaty agreement with the Soviets on Apr 10, 1945 that we all agreed to divide the country at the 38th parallel? I mean, since Korea was a Japanese colony and all. This was done 5 days before Japans surrender.

History, it's in print.

[Doktor Howl]

History, it's in print.

Limited time offer.

[Disco Pickle]

our definitions of win differ.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Dok,
Will be ignoring your drivel in the future.

Wow. Is he saying that all of Korea should be under that maniac from the north? 

No, he's saying he owned the fuck out of himself, and now he's going to dig his heels in and redefine the English language to avoid admitting he may have been wrong about something.

Diagnosis:  He's a howler monkey, not an actual person.

OOK!

I said said there's no way we'd win a land war against mainland china.  Granted, I didn't site any proof to back up this assertion, so take issue with that if you want.

Charlie: nope, didn't say anything even resembling that.  A cease fire that is still bringing tension after a decade of wars that happened almost half a century ago does not equal win as far as I'm concerned.  Take issue with that as well if you want. 

at least no definition of win that I've ever heard of.

I can't hardly recall what was taught to me in high school regarding Korea and Vietnam.  I started getting into Vietnam because of what my Grandfather had to say about it, and read a few books about the subject.  

Howl, didn't say America was bad at all.  Haven't even implied it.  

What would my definition of win have been?  After the war broke out, pushed the Chinese and Russian communists out that occupied the north after WWII and actively supported turning the government of North Korea over to the South.  

of course, this in the mindset of the time.  I don't personally advocate for war and regime change through foreign intervention.
 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think we lost Korea in the war of Public Relations. Kind of like the way Israel lost during the First Intifada. You can achieve your goals and half of the planet will still think your asshats if all they see are big bad soldiers vs helpless innocent kids with rocks.

[Doktor Howl]

What would my definition of win have been?  After the war broke out, pushed the Chinese and Russian communists out that occupied the north after WWII and actively supported turning the government of North Korea over to the South.  

So, obtaining the objectives set forth by the political body authorizing the war (the UN) wasn't good enough.  We had to turn it into an act of aggression, instead of simply returning things to the status quo ante bellum.

And why couldn't we win a war against China?  I mean, other than your bald, unsupported statement?

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our definitions of win differ.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Dok,
Will be ignoring your drivel in the future.

Wow. Is he saying that all of Korea should be under that maniac from the north? 

No, he's saying he owned the fuck out of himself, and now he's going to dig his heels in and redefine the English language to avoid admitting he may have been wrong about something.

Diagnosis:  He's a howler monkey, not an actual person.

OOK!

I said said there's no way we'd win a land war against mainland china.  Granted, I didn't site any proof to back up this assertion, so take issue with that if you want.

Charlie: nope, didn't say anything even resembling that.  A cease fire that is still bringing tension after a decade of wars that happened almost half a century ago does not equal win as far as I'm concerned.  Take issue with that as well if you want. 

at least no definition of win that I've ever heard of.

I can't hardly recall what was taught to me in high school regarding Korea and Vietnam.  I started getting into Vietnam because of what my Grandfather had to say about it, and read a few books about the subject.  

Howl, didn't say America was bad at all.  Haven't even implied it.  

What would my definition of win have been?  After the war broke out, pushed the Chinese and Russian communists out that occupied the north after WWII and actively supported turning the government of North Korea over to the South.  

of course, this in the mindset of the time.  I don't personally advocate for war and regime change through foreign intervention.
 

Please see my earlier post concerning the Treaty with the Soviets concerning the division of Korea.

[Doktor Howl]

I think we lost Korea in the war of Public Relations.

It's a good thing that public relations were pretty much irrelevant in that war.

We lost in the minds of American yahoos that think of WWII as the standard for wars, rather than a very obvious exception.

[Doktor Howl]

Please see my earlier post concerning the Treaty with the Soviets concerning the division of Korea.

Bah...What's article VI of the US constitution, when we could be welcomed by millions of grateful, American flag-waving Iraqis North Koreans?

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Also to point out the blatantly obvious, the soviets were our allies in the war. Allies. Not enemies.