Firefighters Watch as Home Burns to the Ground

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.

But I treasure my stupid opinions.   

Dok,
American.

Yep, this.

I didn't read the article well enough I guess. 

Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right?  And again, how much of the home was actually left?  Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned.  We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.

[Doktor Howl]

My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.

But I treasure my stupid opinions.   

Dok,
American.

Yep, this.

I didn't read the article well enough I guess. 

Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right?  And again, how much of the home was actually left?  Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned.  We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.

Still, watching someone's home and everything they own burn up while you stand and watch is monstrous.

The system that allowed it is even more monstrous.

[Adios]

I couldn't do it.

[eighteen buddha strike]

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html

South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.

So now the kid is off to prison.

This is truly a libertarian paradise.

oh you

Now all we need to do is privatize the police and military.

You forgot Prisons. Without for-profit prisons, I don't know how we'll ever manage to privatize infrastructure.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

I agree it is just awful the firemen sitting there watching. I just feel them showing up at all is just as horrendous. fucking rubbing salted glass in a cut yanno?

Eh I'll shut up.

[Adios]

I agree it is just awful the firemen sitting there watching. I just feel them showing up at all is just as horrendous. fucking rubbing salted glass in a cut yanno?

Eh I'll shut up.

Why would you do that? Is your opinion invalid?

Not to me it isn't.

[Phox]

I agree it is just awful the firemen sitting there watching. I just feel them showing up at all is just as horrendous. fucking rubbing salted glass in a cut yanno?

Eh I'll shut up.

As I understand it, they showed up, put out the other fire, then left. While they didn't stand around and watch the fucker burn, they are pretty reprehensible for not putting it out after it had already fucking spread once. And no need to shut up. Like Charley said, your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.

But I treasure my stupid opinions.   

Dok,
American.

Yep, this.

I didn't read the article well enough I guess. 

Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right?  And again, how much of the home was actually left?  Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned.  We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.

Still, watching someone's home and everything they own burn up while you stand and watch is monstrous.

The system that allowed it is even more monstrous.

I don't like what happened. I think that as human beings the firemen should have helped their fellow human being. For thousands of years people have helped put out fires, paid or not... but monstrous is a very harsh word.  Its a volunteer fire dept., these guys risk their lives for free and would have risked their lives for this guy, if he or his family were in danger...
On the other hand, I am not a fireman and wouldn't just stand by and watch a house burn down if I could get a bucket and water to assist... even if the Fire Chief said "You can't help" I would have expected at least some of them to throw down their helmets and go help put out the fire. Apparently a number of firefighters felt bad afterward, so maybe they'd never been in the situation and failed to react in the short term, then realized they'd screwed up once they weren't in the middle of fighting a fire.

And what about the system that allowed it? It's monstrous that these guys are volunteers? That's how most rural fire depts. and paramedics operate. The town I grew up in had an all volunteer fire dept and they made money with Fish Fry Friday, Raffles etc and lots of other groups like the local VA, Masons, Knights of Pithia (or however that's spelled) would hold fund raisers. We never had an annual tax or fee, though. If the fire dept needed something volunteers would sometimes go door to door and ask for donations.

If the township was so spread out that basic community can't raise the money, I don't see a problem with requiring everyone to pay $75 a year to the Fire Dept. Given that the Dept claims to have a budget of $8000 a year, that's only 106 households so this guy was about 1% of their budget. Is it 'monstrous' that he reduced the budget for the township's fire protection by nearly 1%? Or is it monstrous that he was unsafe with his garbage fire and set his neighbor's house on fire?

I think the whole situation is unfortunate. I think that humans (firemen or not) should assist their fellow humans when emergencies arise. I even think that people should be happy to throw $75 into the pool so that their friends and neighbors have some protection from fire. But, I don't think the firemen, or the volunteer system is monstrous, I've known too many of them, including ones who died saving lives with no duty beyond that which they placed on themselves.

[Thurnez Isa]

It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.

[Doktor Howl]

My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.

But I treasure my stupid opinions.   

Dok,
American.

Yep, this.

I didn't read the article well enough I guess. 

Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right?  And again, how much of the home was actually left?  Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned.  We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.

Still, watching someone's home and everything they own burn up while you stand and watch is monstrous.

The system that allowed it is even more monstrous.

I don't like what happened. I think that as human beings the firemen should have helped their fellow human being. For thousands of years people have helped put out fires, paid or not... but monstrous is a very harsh word.  Its a volunteer fire dept., these guys risk their lives for free and would have risked their lives for this guy, if he or his family were in danger...
On the other hand, I am not a fireman and wouldn't just stand by and watch a house burn down if I could get a bucket and water to assist... even if the Fire Chief said "You can't help" I would have expected at least some of them to throw down their helmets and go help put out the fire. Apparently a number of firefighters felt bad afterward, so maybe they'd never been in the situation and failed to react in the short term, then realized they'd screwed up once they weren't in the middle of fighting a fire.

And what about the system that allowed it? It's monstrous that these guys are volunteers? That's how most rural fire depts. and paramedics operate. The town I grew up in had an all volunteer fire dept and they made money with Fish Fry Friday, Raffles etc and lots of other groups like the local VA, Masons, Knights of Pithia (or however that's spelled) would hold fund raisers. We never had an annual tax or fee, though. If the fire dept needed something volunteers would sometimes go door to door and ask for donations.

If the township was so spread out that basic community can't raise the money, I don't see a problem with requiring everyone to pay $75 a year to the Fire Dept. Given that the Dept claims to have a budget of $8000 a year, that's only 106 households so this guy was about 1% of their budget. Is it 'monstrous' that he reduced the budget for the township's fire protection by nearly 1%? Or is it monstrous that he was unsafe with his garbage fire and set his neighbor's house on fire?

I think the whole situation is unfortunate. I think that humans (firemen or not) should assist their fellow humans when emergencies arise. I even think that people should be happy to throw $75 into the pool so that their friends and neighbors have some protection from fire. But, I don't think the firemen, or the volunteer system is monstrous, I've known too many of them, including ones who died saving lives with no duty beyond that which they placed on themselves.

I have a response to this that will clarify my position, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm too lazy to type it.

Will address on Monday.

[Disco Pickle]

It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.

how did the fire start in this instance?  I never picked up that part.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.

how did the fire start in this instance?  I never picked up that part.

The guys grandson was burning trash next to the house.

I have a response to this that will clarify my position, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm too lazy to type it.

Will address on Monday.

Cool, I look forward to it Dok

By no means is this an easy topic for any angle.

[Disco Pickle]

It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.

how did the fire start in this instance?  I never picked up that part.

The guys grandson was burning trash next to the house.

I have a response to this that will clarify my position, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm too lazy to type it.

Will address on Monday.

Cool, I look forward to it Dok

By no means is this an easy topic for any angle.

so stupidity and negligence were involved instead of nature.  This doesn't change what I think as the family didn't deserve to loose everything because their son didn't think the idea through.

it IS pretty damn stupid to burn anything near your house given the unpredictable nature of fire.

[Adios]

Terri and I had rented a house in a place the locals lovingly referred to as Roy Town. Roy owned 40 acres and there were several houses on the property, all rented out.  Roy was local color and quite a guy. He lived in a silo. He lived in the silo because it's design prevented alien signals from penetrating his brain.  Now this was important as he had been kidnapped by aliens previously.  He wasn't crazy, and had a letter from a facility that even said so.

Everybody that lived there made us feel welcome as we spent the day moving all of our things in. Now, I won't say the place was a commune, but it had that feel to it, like we were all family. So Terri and I got all of  our stuff stacked in the house and got ready to go to our dart league. Neither of us were very good at darts, but it was a beer league we enjoyed with our friends.

We were on our way home and saw all kinds of fire trucks and cop cars. As we got closed to home, we got closer to the fire trucks. With a sinking feeling I hurried to get there. I had made a joke earlier about it being our house, but Terri was pretty sure it was, she was right.

We pulled in and several things were readily obvious. The roof had burned off of our house. Our things were stacked in the yard. Our animals were nowhere to be seen.

Terri jumped out of the motor home screaming "My Babies!" One of the firemen ran over yelling and wanting to know if there were kids in there. Terri screamed, "No, My Babies!" I had to explain our babies were a dog and two cats.

One of the neighbors ran up and told us she had gotten the dog out, but they couldn't get the cats. They were also the ones who had taken out things out of the house. I ran in the house past the firemen who were trying to stop me.

I got to the living room yelling and both cats ran and jumped on me. They were terrified. They had hidden in a glass enclosed bookcase and neither one was hurt. A little smoke inhalation, but nothing serious.


Terri and I both calmed down knowing our animals were safe and almost all of our things were okay. I was walking around in the house with the fire inspector and he was staring at the wood burning stove. He said these things sure cause a lot of problems. I told him there wasn't even a fire in it.

I told him the furnace caused the fire and he responded by telling me he didn't know anything about furnaces, but he thought the wood burner had started the fire. I told him I didn't know anything about fire inspecting, but I did know there was no fire in the wood burner, and the wall above the furnace had burn marks all the way up.

The house had burned the roof off of it. All the walls were still standing. So, it was night, winter and cold. Our house had no roof or electricity. We did have a motor home though. Roy helped us clean off a concrete slab and I parked on it and we hooked up to electricity. We were set.

Now, the motor home was the only vehicle we had, and  it was the only house we had. We were too poor to find another place. For six months Terri, a dog, two cats and myself lived in an eighteen foot motor home. Through a Colorado winter.

Every day we would drive our house to work, and every day we would drive back home and hook back up. Roy had already spent our rent so he offered to let us stay parked as long as we needed at no extra charge. We considered finding another house a few times, but  we kept putting it off.

We loved that time we spent there that winter. We made some very good friends with the people that lived there. We still talk about those days with smiles on our faces.  Roy even rebuilt the house, but he didn't finish it until we had already moved on.



Here is the good side of people. (from my book)

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Excellent story, Charley. Down home that kind of thing would happen as well. I recall once the house next door to the fire dept building caught fire and they couldn't actually get to the trucks. By the time most of the volunteers had showed up though, neighbors had already torn down three different fences so the volunteers could drive through the back yards to get to the station.