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Discourse 31: All rights are Wrongs...
« on: August 15, 2004, 06:08:38 am »
"I did not complain when they came for the jews, I did not complain when they came for the Slavs, I did not complain when they Came for the poles. But when they came for me there was nobody left to defend me."

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Well, the bastards did it. The rabid fundamentalists and sexually insecure closet homosexuals that pretend they know what they're doing up at the helm of this operation have finally outlawed gay marriage at a federal level. If it wasn't enough to bow over to the US in terms of letting it dictate Australian domestic policy and then allowing that to be encouraged through the new Free Trade agreement. The damn bastards would love to have us all wandering the streets with cricket bats and broken bottles looking for poofs, because obviously that's what sensible heterosexuals do.
Don't make me sick. Marriage is nothing more than an intrusion of the state into people's private affairs (speaking as someone about to be married I'm keenly aware of that) moreover the fact that so few people honour their vows these days you tend to get the feeling it's an institution about as sacred as "cloud nine escorts." We claim to be civilised yet we are still (on the whole) neophobes. We deride people who stand up for their beleifs and stamp on the people who would dare fly in the face of outdated conservativism and demand fair treatment.
Now, I'm not even gay, I'm not even bi. The overwhelming majority of the male population will not make me turn my head, but I'll be damned if I ever let the idea of ordinary people having sex have me campaigning to have their freedom to be recognised as a couple by the world taken away.
Ordinary people! that's right. They're not physically defective, mentally unblanced, unholy, unclean, dirty individuals. They're your co-workers, shop assistants, friends, relatives, siblings and public servants.
Homophobia is just another form of intolerance. No different to religious or racial intolerance. But it seems while it's not OK for governments in the western world to outlaw blacks or asians from getting married, it's AOK to do the same thing to gays.
But if we're intent on retaining our purity as the master race why haven't we done anything about it? Oh that's right! The Nazi's lost WWII. You could have fucking fooled me! What next? Brainwashing camps? Deprogramming centers and interventions? are we going to bring back the purple triangle? well excuse me for realising that unless I do something now there'll be nobody left to come to my aid when they come for the discordians.

All rights are wrongs. We rest under the thumb of an entity with the peevishness of a 4 year-old with ADD that has yet to realise it holds our fates and lives in it's hands. We have the right to free speech, but for how long? We have the right to practice whatever faith we wish, but for how long? How long before we reach a state of total social equilibrium? The mental equivalent of heat-death, nothing ever changes, nothing new is ever created. There we will be, existing in circles, defining ourselves as people who exist to define ourselves. Every right is a wrong. Rights are the things we refuse to give away to dictators in disguise. An oddly anarchic sentiment, but it's true. I don't believe in rights, I can do what I want to do and deal with the consequnces. Right now I'd like to send a letter to the PM telling him that if he's going to outlaw gay marriage then he should also be repressing every other minority as well.

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2004, 06:32:22 am »
what? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2004, 07:03:56 am »
Quote from: Hotsuma
what? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/04/1091557919497.html?oneclick=true

respectable enough for you?

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2004, 07:06:08 am »
Quote from: John 'Pleasantville' Howard
"In putting it into law in the next two weeks nobody can say it's being used as a wedge, nobody can say it's a diversion, everybody can say it's a united expression of the national parliament and therefore of the will of the Australian people."


Didn't ask me you assclown!

and as long as we're on the subject since when has the majority will of this country ever had anything to do with what goes on in parliament? I don't see referrendums popping up every time the governments wants to raise the price of milk! Nobody ever asked me what I thought when we puckered up to america's ass and signed on to be slowly assimilated, culturally by Maddison Avenue and the OC.
The will of the people is a myth handed down by spin-doctors and bullshit merchants. we're spoon fed a truth and the simplest of all simple-minded simpletonic sentiments are selected as the lowest commmon denominator! The most-basic and irrational responses are peddled as snake-oil while our lives are stolen under our noses. The blanket assumption that any governmental agency fucntions as the will of the people which it serves, is exactly the same as saying that because we are who we are, whatever we do is right.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2004, 08:17:09 am »
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Quote from: Hotsuma
what? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/04/1091557919497.html?oneclick=true

respectable enough for you?



I get no article.

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2004, 01:47:31 pm »
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Quote from: St. Trollax, ODD
Quote from: Hotsuma
what? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/04/1091557919497.html?oneclick=true

respectable enough for you?



I get no article.


Click on the link that says continue on without registering.

Or click here Australia bans gay marriage

Quote from: John Howard
"In putting it into law in the next two weeks nobody can say it's being used as a wedge, nobody can say it's a diversion, everybody can say it's a united expression of the national parliament and therefore of the will of the Australian people."


This statement should be posted in the "pure logic" thread. One of the myths of representative democracy is that the legislature represents the "will of the people." The legislature is just something easier to purchase than the whole of the people.

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2004, 05:08:02 pm »
Looks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.

But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2004, 05:24:05 pm »
Yeah, and I just heard that the thousands of gay marriages performed in San Francisco this year have been overturned by the courts. I figured it was coming, but still, it makes me angry.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2004, 05:26:41 pm »
the revolution will not be televised

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2004, 07:46:23 pm »
should the ammendment get passed, I hope that there are mas numbers of gay riots in various large citys throughout the country. just so our government repeals the bloody amendment.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2004, 08:42:18 pm »
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should the ammendment get passed, I hope that there are mas numbers of gay riots in various large citys throughout the country. just so our government repeals the bloody amendment.


As much fun as riots are, that would just give the conservatives more ammo and could lead to nastier laws restricting Homosexuality. But, since nothing else could really work, riots HO!
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2004, 08:47:17 pm »
when worse laws come out, more riots happen. eventually, new york gts burned to the ground by angry homosexuals, the government makes it worse. then the gay army steals several nuclear silos and launches them at every country on the planet. causing a global depression and the human race goes extinct because of the nuclear fallout


see what'll happen if the ammendment passes?

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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2004, 10:52:44 pm »
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when worse laws come out, more riots happen. eventually, new york gts burned to the ground by angry homosexuals, the government makes it worse. then the gay army steals several nuclear silos and launches them at every country on the planet. causing a global depression and the human race goes extinct because of the nuclear fallout


see what'll happen if the ammendment passes?


i guess it's trather unfortunate then that the ammendnment was already defeated on its first dfate with congress.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2004, 11:43:45 pm »
Ahh.

Gotta love being up here in Canada.

You guys ought to drop by. Right now our Liberal government only has a minority, so the and third, fourth parties get a say (yes, 4 main political parties, and it used to be 5, and this is ignoring the green party), which means the good old NDP (almost a socialist party) get's a nice big say in what's happening.

Oh, and gay marriage is legal, and marijuana is almost legal. We're almost Holland.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2004, 08:25:13 am »
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Ahh.

Gotta love being up here in Canada.

You guys ought to drop by. Right now our Liberal government only has a minority, so the and third, fourth parties get a say (yes, 4 main political parties, and it used to be 5, and this is ignoring the green party), which means the good old NDP (almost a socialist party) get's a nice big say in what's happening.

Oh, and gay marriage is legal, and marijuana is almost legal. We're almost Holland.

Ahh, life is good.



if ndp's 4 or 5 seats can be called a say.  tho that's good they're idiots anyway. there was acommunist aprty candidate on my area's ballot, btu i decided to "make my vote count" by voting for the conservatives, despite beign in conservative country(alberta). made me feel dirty, but hey, at least i coudl btich that we didnt get rid of those bastard liberals. fuckers.

marijuana has been next to legal for years, depending on who is arresting/pullign you over and yoru area, but i doubt the legal aspect of it will go further now that the liberals are minority.

personally i want to legislation for same sex, heterosexual life partners. that sort of union is no less true than anyone else's and certainyl doesn't break any religious dogmas.
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