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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, November 10, 2010, 10:27:37 PM

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Quote from: Triple Zero on November 11, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
Huh, yeah, I'm gonna go with almost nobody here being a sociopath.

Thank you. I wanted to post this the last time when people were calling eachother "sociopath" simply because somebody didn't act the way they wanted them to and the other replied "I don't care what you think", so maybe we can stop calling eachother "sociopaths" unless they actually are. However, looking at the list of symptoms and diagnosis, I'm pretty sure that an actual sociopath would do something to get themselves banned rather sooner than later.

Antisocial personality disorder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  (Redirected from Sociopath)


Antisocial personality disorder (adyp or Atu) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1]

Antisocial personality disorder is sometimes known as sociopathic personality disorder. It is also sometimes referred to as psychopathy or sociopathy. Some researchers believe that antisocial personality disorder and psychopathic personality are different conditions.

Signs and symptoms

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:
- Persistent lying or stealing
- Apparent lack of remorse[3] or empathy for others
- Cruelty to animals[4]
- Poor behavioral controls — expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper
- A history of childhood conduct disorder
- Recurring difficulties with the law
- Promiscuity
- Tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of others
- Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
- Inability to tolerate boredom
- Disregard for right and wrong
- Poor or abusive relationships
- Irresponsible work behavior
- Disregard for safety

Diagnosis

DSM

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR = 301.7, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring for as long as either childhood, or in the case of many who are influenced by environmental factors, around age 15, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
- deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
- impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
- reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
- consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
- promiscuity;
- having shallow or seemingly nonexistent feelings.

New evidence points to the fact that children often develop Antisocial Personality Disorder as a cause of their environment, as well as their genetic line. The individual does not need to meet a certain age requirement in order to be diagnosed with this disorder.


Nice post.  And I totally appreciate your point.  Then I completely read it.

The only problem with definitions like that, not that they aren't good I'm sure, but the problem is you can read them and go WAIT, like 4 of those can describe me..... It's kind of like going to the online medical pages and realizing the same symptoms can be anything from a hangnail to a brain tumor.

Then you end up spazzing all day thinking OMG OMG OMG I'm a fucking Sociopath, I have a brain tumor....  and possibly the worst.... OMG OMG OMG a HANGNAIL

:omg:

:lulz:

Phox

Quote from: Niamh on November 11, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 11, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
Huh, yeah, I'm gonna go with almost nobody here being a sociopath.

Thank you. I wanted to post this the last time when people were calling eachother "sociopath" simply because somebody didn't act the way they wanted them to and the other replied "I don't care what you think", so maybe we can stop calling eachother "sociopaths" unless they actually are. However, looking at the list of symptoms and diagnosis, I'm pretty sure that an actual sociopath would do something to get themselves banned rather sooner than later.

Antisocial personality disorder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  (Redirected from Sociopath)


Antisocial personality disorder (adyp or Atu) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1]

Antisocial personality disorder is sometimes known as sociopathic personality disorder. It is also sometimes referred to as psychopathy or sociopathy. Some researchers believe that antisocial personality disorder and psychopathic personality are different conditions.

Signs and symptoms

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:
- Persistent lying or stealing
- Apparent lack of remorse[3] or empathy for others
- Cruelty to animals[4]
- Poor behavioral controls — expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper
- A history of childhood conduct disorder
- Recurring difficulties with the law
- Promiscuity
- Tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of others
- Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
- Inability to tolerate boredom
- Disregard for right and wrong
- Poor or abusive relationships
- Irresponsible work behavior
- Disregard for safety

Diagnosis

DSM

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR = 301.7, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring for as long as either childhood, or in the case of many who are influenced by environmental factors, around age 15, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
- deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
- impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
- reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
- consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
- promiscuity;
- having shallow or seemingly nonexistent feelings.

New evidence points to the fact that children often develop Antisocial Personality Disorder as a cause of their environment, as well as their genetic line. The individual does not need to meet a certain age requirement in order to be diagnosed with this disorder.


Nice post.  And I totally appreciate your point.  Then I completely read it.

The only problem with definitions like that, not that they aren't good I'm sure, but the problem is you can read them and go WAIT, like 4 of those can describe me..... It's kind of like going to the online medical pages and realizing the same symptoms can be anything from a hangnail to a brain tumor.

Then you end up spazzing all day thinking OMG OMG OMG I'm a fucking Sociopath, I have a brain tumor....  and possibly the worst.... OMG OMG OMG a HANGNAIL

:omg:

:lulz:

Internet diagnoses: Making paranoia a household disorder since 1993.

Cain

If you're worried about being a sociopath, then you're not one.

Unless of course you're putting on a show of being concerned about being a sociopath, so everyone else around you will come to that conclusion, in which case you're a very clever little psychopath.

Whatever

Quote from: Subetai on November 11, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
If you're worried about being a sociopath, then you're not one.

Unless of course you're putting on a show of being concerned about being a sociopath, so everyone else around you will come to that conclusion, in which case you're a very clever little psychopath.

See now if I understand that should I be scared?

Disco Pickle

Quote from: Subetai on November 11, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
If you're worried about being a sociopath, then you're not one.

Unless of course you're putting on a show of being concerned about being a sociopath, so everyone else around you will come to that conclusion, in which case you're a very clever little psychopath.

:lulz:

nice.  very nice.
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

Cramulus

sociopath is the new pedophile is the new nazi

it's just another word that used to represent something offensive but now its used so broadly and casually it no longer means anything


like when you read somebody on the Internet calling somebody else a nazi --  you don't think "This motherfucker must be all about white power and antisemitism", you think, "ehhh somebody's flipping out about something."

AFK

Yeah but you're obviously a socialist sociopath so why should we believe what you fucking say? 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Phox

Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
sociopath is the new pedophile is the new nazi

it's just another word that used to represent something offensive but now its used so broadly and casually it no longer means anything


like when you read somebody on the Internet calling somebody else a nazi --  you don't think "This motherfucker must be all about white power and antisemitism", you think, "ehhh somebody's flipping out about something."

You lie, you damn dirty nazi sociopath!  :argh!:

AFK

Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Phox


Cain

Anyone who can work a quote from Anti-Oedipus and/or A Thousand Plateaus into a pun ITT shall win a small prize.

Triple Zero

Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
sociopath is the new pedophile is the new nazi

MEET THE NEW NAZI IS THE NEW PEDOPHILE, SAME AS THE OLD SOCIOPATH IS THE OLD NAZI.
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

tyrannosaurus vex

Quote from: Phox on November 11, 2010, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on November 11, 2010, 03:05:39 PM
Get off my punchline you schizophrenic fascist!

Communist nymphomaniac!

I met one of these last night.

I'm really, really tired this morning. And sore.
Evil and Unfeeling Arse-Flenser From The City of the Damned.

Triple Zero

Nationalsoziopathische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei: Die partei für Spaß und die Arbeit für Freiheit!!!
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

the last yatto

Look, asshole:  Your 'incomprehensible' act, your word-salad, your pinealism...It BORES ME.  I've been incomprehensible for so long, I TEACH IT TO MBA CANDIDATES.  So if you simply MUST talk about your pineal gland or happy children dancing in the wildflowers, go talk to Roger, because he digs that kind of shit