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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, November 28, 2010, 07:49:00 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

November 28, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,877155,00.html

QuoteAfter six years of childless marriage, John and Cynthia Burke of Newark decided to adopt a baby boy through a state agency. Since the Burkes were young, scandal-free and solvent, they had no trouble with the New Jersey Bureau of Children's Services—until investigators came to the line on the application that asked for the couple's religious affiliation.

John Burke, an atheist, and his wife, a pantheist, had left the line blank. As a result, the bureau denied the Burkes' application. After the couple began court action, however, the bureau changed its regulations, and the couple was able to adopt a baby boy from the Children's Aid and Adoption Society in East Orange.

Last year the Burkes presented their adopted son, David, now 3 1/2, with a baby sister, Eleanor Katherine, now 17 months, whom they acquired from the same East Orange agency. Since the agency endorsed the adoption, the required final approval by a judge was expected to be pro forma. Instead, Superior Court Judge William Camarata raised the religious issue.

Inestimable Privilege. In an extraordinary decision, Judge Camarata denied the Burkes' right to the child because of their lack of belief in a Supreme Being. Despite the Burkes' "high moral and ethical standards," he said, the New Jersey state constitution declares that "no person shall be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshiping Almighty God in a manner agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience." Despite Eleanor Katherine's tender years, he continued, "the child should have the freedom to worship as she sees fit, and not be influenced by prospective parents who do not believe in a Supreme Being."

The Burkes are now living in Carterville, Ill., near Southern Illinois University, where John Burke has worked for the past year as a speech pathologist. Nevertheless, Judge Camarata ordered the parents to send David's sister back to the New Jersey adoption agency. Two weeks ago, aided by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Burkes appealed directly to the New Jersey Supreme Court, which agreed to hear the case. If they fail in their appeal, Eleanor Katherine may have to leave the only family she has ever known and await adoption by another couple whose religious convictions satisfy the State of New Jersey.

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Cain

#1
November 28, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
Clearly that Judge knows nothing about atheists, since everyone knows atheists believe in a Supreme Being.  Most people call him Satan.

Jasper

#2
November 28, 2010, 07:51:19 PM
Never discussing religion with anyone ever again.  I am now "Officially" Christian.

The Good Reverend Roger

#3
November 28, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on November 28, 2010, 07:51:19 PM
Never discussing religion with anyone ever again.  I am now "Officially" Christian.

I've been "officially" a Christian for 25 years.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#4
November 28, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
WOW that is massively fucked up! FUUUUUUUCK.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#5
November 28, 2010, 07:53:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 28, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
WOW that is massively fucked up! FUUUUUUUCK.

Judge Punch is alive and well.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

BabylonHoruv

#6
November 28, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
This sounds to me like it sets a precedent to keep anyone but agnostics from adopting in New Jersey,  The first commandment rather clearly prohibits worshipping other gods, so Christians are right out.
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#7
November 28, 2010, 11:16:46 PM
Man, that's one for the 'Fucked Up Things' Tour Bus. "And on the left you will see the home of Judge Camarata, famous for denying adoptions where the villainous parents intended on denying their poor once-orphaned spiritual prisoners the right to worship a Supreme Being."
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#8
November 28, 2010, 11:22:17 PM
Remember, folks, it's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
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November 28, 2010, 11:40:46 PM
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November 29, 2010, 12:22:58 AM
Sick.

That is actually worse then NY trying to charge an 8 year old with manslaughter; for accidentally hitting some 80-some year old woman with a bike when she was 5, causing an irreversible hip injury, that lead to death.

Well maybe not worse..
But most definitely on par.

What about the right for a child not to want to worship a "Supreme Being", but being spoon fed worthless dribble every weekend at Sunday school??? No choice there eh?

Ugh, sore subject for me.
Can't say I'm Christian at all. Never baptized, nothing.
Led to a big fight in my family, that my folks didn't put me into that shit because they wanted to give me a choice they never had.

I am now ostracized on my moms side almost completely.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#11
November 29, 2010, 12:27:17 AM
Quote from: Xieante Antitheus on November 29, 2010, 12:22:58 AM

I am now ostracized on my moms side almost completely.


I am ostracized my entire extended family with the exception of The Terrible Old Man and one cousin.

I kind of prefer that.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Iason Ouabache

#12
November 29, 2010, 06:35:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,877155,00.html

QuoteIf they fail in their appeal, Eleanor Katherine may have to leave the only family she has ever known and await adoption by another couple whose religious convictions satisfy the State of New Jersey.
Who wants to bet that the judge unironically calls himself "pro-family"?
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Requia ☣

#13
November 29, 2010, 06:51:26 AM
I'm really really dreading visiting RF now.  I just know I'm gonna end up listening to some cunt trying to defend this judges decision, and trying to justify it as 'religious freedom'.
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Iason Ouabache

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November 29, 2010, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 29, 2010, 06:51:26 AM
I'm really really dreading visiting RF now.  I just know I'm gonna end up listening to some cunt trying to defend this judges decision, and trying to justify it as 'religious freedom'.
The judge is giving the kids the freedom to worship any religion they want... as long as it's Jesus.
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