no. NO NO NO

[Nephew Twiddleton]

THE FREEMASONS ARE A SECRET SOCIETY WHICH REALLY CONTROL THE WORLD.  HERE IS A FREEMASON, WHO WILL DENY IT:

Grand Master of the London Lodge: we do not rule the world.

SEE?  HIS DENIAL PROVES HIS GUILT.  FUCKING FREEMASONS

(incidentally, I would love to see a documentary on P2...but of course, that will never happen.  Criminal conspiracies are only safe to document when they're made up bullshit.  Real criminal conspiracies tend to actually kill people, which is why no-one does documentaries on them).

Wuzza P2?

Fantastic! 

Time to change the history books!

[Cain]

P2, also known as Propaganda Due, was a "black" (covert), pseduo-Masonic lodge in Italy, founded by former Blackshirt and unrepentant Fascist Licio Gelli, and implicated in numerous crimes and coverups, such as Vatican banking scandals and the death of an Italian journalist investigating a group linked to them.  The membership of P2 was high profile, and included journalists, politicians, businessmen, members of the armed forces and intelligence services, and one Silvio Berlusconi.

P2 also had links to Latin America, where its members there were frequently among the far-right and neofascist military members implicated in the Southern Cone's "dirty wars" to suppress communism, trade unions and democracy in general.

It sounds like something out of a Ludlum or Dan Brown novel, but unfortunately it was very real.  Italian police raided Gelli's villa in 1981, and found a membership list.  In 1982, while searching his daughter's suitcase at Rome's Fiumicino Airport, they found a false bottom, and within it a document calling for the overthrow of the Italian Constitution, repression of Communists and trade unions, as well as consolidation of the media.  The document suggested that 30 to 40 billion lire, would be needed.

[LMNO]

I was thinking, if we got Dan Brown interested in P2, he might want to write his next book about it, get too close, and actually get killed.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

P2, also known as Propaganda Due, was a "black" (covert), pseduo-Masonic lodge in Italy, founded by former Blackshirt and unrepentant Fascist Licio Gelli, and implicated in numerous crimes and coverups, such as Vatican banking scandals and the death of an Italian journalist investigating a group linked to them.  The membership of P2 was high profile, and included journalists, politicians, businessmen, members of the armed forces and intelligence services, and one Silvio Berlusconi.

P2 also had links to Latin America, where its members there were frequently among the far-right and neofascist military members implicated in the Southern Cone's "dirty wars" to suppress communism, trade unions and democracy in general.

It sounds like something out of a Ludlum or Dan Brown novel, but unfortunately it was very real.  Italian police raided Gelli's villa in 1981, and found a membership list.  In 1982, while searching his daughter's suitcase at Rome's Fiumicino Airport, they found a false bottom, and within it a document calling for the overthrow of the Italian Constitution, repression of Communists and trade unions, as well as consolidation of the media.  The document suggested that 30 to 40 billion lire, would be needed.

Damn. Will have to look more into that one.

[LMNO]

RAW had a lot of information in his Cosmic Trigger books, and it was cross-referenced almost everywhere in Everything is Under Control.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

RAW had a lot of information in his Cosmic Trigger books, and it was cross-referenced almost everywhere in Everything is Under Control.

The only RAW I've read was Illuminatus!

[LMNO]

How can you Kill Yr Idols if you don't research them first?

[Cain]

Using the encyclopedia anyone can edit!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

[Nephew Twiddleton]

How can you Kill Yr Idols if you don't research them first?

With a half-informed and indifferent attitude, of course!

[Don Coyote]

How can you Kill Yr Idols if you don't research them first?

With an impact weapon of suitably large proportions.

[BadBeast]

How can you Kill Yr Idols if you don't research them first?

Ask them to autograph your copy of "Catcher in the Rye" (or other suitably innocuous book) and while they are
distracted with being an Idol,  shoot them.     

[Xieante Antitheus]

Speaking of the Yankee-Dixie Throwdown...

Celebrating Secession Without the Slaves

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/30confed.html?_r=1&ref=us

The south celebrates the civil war by pretending their secession from the states happened joyously.
And slavery had nothing to do with it...

[Suu]

Slavery didn't have everything to do with it anyway.


-Suu
History major. Industry professional. Do not question. Also: Drunk.

[Xieante Antitheus]

Oh that I know, but discrediting it almost completely?
Almost like when I was in Germany, and the info the tour guides throw your way regarding the 1940's.

Understandably there are things better off left unsaid, but wow.

History shouldn't be based on where your from and up for that much interpretation. Either it happened or it didn't.

Tainted.

[Payne]

We had UKTV History Channel, but they didn't seem to realise that quite a lot of UK History happened before 1939, and  after 1945.

Well, you guys were pretty uninteresting between 1814 and 1914, since you weren't involved in any American wars and such. Maybe if you guys picked a side in the Civil War, you would have more history.

Blight,
-Going with the prevailing American thought that history is a list of wars involving the US starting from 1492.

Wow, I should bump "Paynes List of Things" then.

I accidentally History'ed all over it.