SPIDER IV - A NEW HOPE.

[Requia ☣]

I'm in.

[LMNO]

While we're waiting, let's argue about the rules.

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LOL RULES LOL

There will be three Spiders.  They will be known collectively as The Spider.  Two of the Spiders will know each other, one will not know either.  Each round ("round" is defined later), one of the Spiders will choose a Citizen to subsume.  If subsumed, the Citizen is out of the game and will become a Teabagger for the Sarah Palin/Rand Paul 2012 campaign.  I can't prevent you from posting after you're out, but PLEASE do not offer any advice or assistance; you lost, you're out.  If you MUST post, make it funny (for an example, see Semanj's "Zombie" posts during the first Werewolf Game, or Fred's postcards from the Spiders II game).

There will be initially two Discordians.  They will not know each other, and no one else will know who they are.  Every round, one Discordian can evangelize a Citizen.  There will be a 50% chance that the Citizen will convert and become a Discordian.  The new Discordian will know who converted him.  If not converted, the Citizen will not know who the Discordian is.  The Citizens will not know who was converted.  The Discordians are allowed to reveal their identities, if they're stupid like that.

If a Spider tries to subsume a Discordian, there will be a 50% chance they will not succeed.   If a Discordian is not subsumed, they will be given two names.  One will be the Spider that attacked him, and one will be another player.  They will not know which is which.

If a Discordian tries to evangelize a Spider, there will be a 50% chance they will be subsumed.  If they are not, they will not know they escaped a Spider.

If a Discordian tries to convert another Discordian they did not convert themselves, they will create a CABAL.  The CABAL has a 100% chance of converting a Citizen, who will then be part of that CABAL.  It will be up to the CABAL if they want to make it public. The CABAL will be broken if all but one of the members are subsumed or Put On A Bus (see below).

If a Spider tries to subsume one of the other Spiders, they will begin to create The Machine™.  All three Spiders must be subsumed in order to create The Machine™.  Once created, The Machine™ has a 100% chance of crushing both Citizens and Discordians, but only a 50% chance if the Discordian is part of a CABAL.  If The Machine™ has not been created, the Spider still has a 50% chance of subsuming a Cabal member.  Once created, The Machine™ will continue to exist, even if one of the Spiders is Put On A Bus (see below).

Every round, the Citizens will discuss and choose a fellow Citizen to Put On A Bus, where they will be forced to surf TVTropes.com for the remainder of the game, and can not participate.  A simple majority (N/2 +1) will choose who to Put On A Bus.  If no simple majority is reached, then no one gets Put On A Bus that round.  Citizens who are put on a bus can still post in the thread, but please don't act like you weren't just kicked off by a bunch of paranoid freaks. See above regarding posting if you've been kicked out of the game.

A Round will be defined as the length of time it takes for EVERYONE playing the game to make a post.  The game will not continue until everyone has posted in that round.  If a player hasn't been contributing to the thread very much (i.e. consisting mainly of "this is a post" or "I vote ___"), I may not wait for them to post before moving on.  This will be decided on a case by case basis.

Depending on how the game is going, there may or may not be clues in the various narratives as to the identities of the Discordian and the Spider.

The game is over when either all the Spiders have been Put On A Bus, or all Citizens have been Subsumed.

If all Citizens are Discordians at the end of the game, and all Spiders have been Put On A Bus, then the game ends with REVOLUTION.

To Recap:
-At the beginning of the game, no one will know who the Discordians are, even to each other.  
-Only two of the three Spiders will know each other.
-A converted Discordian will only know who converted them.  
-Each round, there will be a vote for who gets Put On A Bus.  
-A Discordian has a chance of not being subsumed by a Spider.
-A Discordian has a chance of converting a Citizen into a Discordian.
-A Discordian can create a CABAL by converting a Discordian they did not convert themselves.
-A Spider can create The Machine™ by subsuming all three Spiders.
-A round is not over until all eligible players have made a post.
-If you're subsumed or Put On A Bus, please act like it.


FINAL RULE-- ARGUING SEMANTICS OR FINE LOGICAL POINTS AFTER THE GAME HAS BEGUN IS RETARDED.  ONCE THE GAME IS UNDERWAY, JUST PLAY THE DAMN THING.  IF I FIND A GAMEBREAKER, I WILL CHANGE IT.  IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, PUT YOURSELF ON THE DAMN BUS.  I'M NOT GETTING PAID TO RUN THIS THING, SO I DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH YOUR SHIT.

[President Television]

Question: What is the goal of the unaligned Citizens? Be default, do they try to eliminate Discordians and Spiders alike?
To me, it seems like they would view it much as villagers might view an attack by werewolves on one side and vampires on the other.

[LMNO]

Being subsumed by a Spider means you're kicked out of the game.

Being Put On A Bus means you're out of the game.

Being a Discordian means you're protected (somewhat) from the Spider.

Being part of a CABAL means the more people in your CABAL, the fewer Citizens to suspect of being a Spider (because everyone in the CABAL knows each other), and the better odds you have to pick the right person to Put On A Bus; and the better odds you WON'T be Put On A Bus.

If that doesn't answer your question, you may be mixing up your Game Theory with your Sociology.

[Jenne]

And all the evangelism happens in pm's, right?  This is only the like 2d or 3rd time I've played one of these games here--I'm sorta still a n00b.

[LMNO]

Here's the technical bits:

A TYPICAL ROUND:

1) I narrate the previous day's events (who was Subsumed (or not), who was Put On A Bus, and whether a conversion happened.

2) All remaining citizens post at least once.

3) While that's going on, I PM one of the Discordians, and one of the Spiders, and ask them who they want to subsume/convert.

4) After everyone has posted, voting officially begins.  Usually, everyone has already decided, and has posted a vote.  KEEP A RUNNING TALLY OF THE VOTES, OR FRED WILL KILL YOU.

5) After everyone has voted, the round is over.  GOTO 1.


Be advised - the order of the subsuming/converting is random (coin flip), but the Bussing always comes first.  So, it might be Bus -> Convert -> Subsume, or Bus -> Subsume -> Convert.  The implications become clear when you think about it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Question: What is the goal of the unaligned Citizens? Be default, do they try to eliminate Discordians and Spiders alike?
To me, it seems like they would view it much as villagers might view an attack by werewolves on one side and vampires on the other.

Spiders lose, everyone else wins.

Spiders win, everyone else loses.

Citizens kill off all spiders AND those meddling Discordians, they win another season of Lost.

[President Television]

Question: What is the goal of the unaligned Citizens? Be default, do they try to eliminate Discordians and Spiders alike?
To me, it seems like they would view it much as villagers might view an attack by werewolves on one side and vampires on the other.

Spiders lose, everyone else wins.

Spiders win, everyone else loses.

Citizens kill off all spiders AND those meddling Discordians, they win another season of Lost.

Got it.

[Freeky]

It has come to my attention that I'm not posting regularly anymore, and had to see the title in my "New Posts" box to say "Oh fuck, I forgot about that."


I may have to resign. Sorry LMNO, and I was really lookiing forward to it.  I love your narration.

[LMNO]

You can make a habit of checking in once a day, just to the thread...

But I understand if you feel you can't do it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It has come to my attention that I'm not posting regularly anymore, and had to see the title in my "New Posts" box to say "Oh fuck, I forgot about that."


I may have to resign. Sorry LMNO, and I was really lookiing forward to it.  I love your narration.

Why?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Next week I may not maintain much of an internet presence myself, but I'll make some time for this thread.

[Freeky]

You can make a habit of checking in once a day, just to the thread...

But I understand if you feel you can't do it.

I take it back. I'm stillin.

[LMNO]

Double woot

[Phox]

I'll post more ITT when the game starts, I promise.