DM/Player Ownage

[The Good Reverend Roger]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

[Don Coyote]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

I have to.

WHY?!?!?!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

I have to.

WHY?!?!?!

He only had one leg.

Or do you mean why did they shove him down the stairs?

[Don Coyote]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

I have to.

WHY?!?!?!

He only had one leg.

Or do you mean why did they shove him down the stairs?

that and why did you make a one legged vampire.

[Kurt Christ]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

I have to.

WHY?!?!?!

He only had one leg.

Or do you mean why did they shove him down the stairs?

that and why did you make a one legged vampire.

I think he just made a vampire, and the players made him one-legged, if I'm reading Roger correctly.

[Requia ☣]

It seems that damn near every DM in the world has a problem with one class or another, and feels the need to nerf-bat or "improve" it.

House ruling I get (as long as its up front and not midway through the third session), but why the hell would you house rule a class?

[Don Coyote]

It seems that damn near every DM in the world has a problem with one class or another, and feels the need to nerf-bat or "improve" it.

House ruling I get (as long as its up front and not midway through the third session), but why the hell would you house rule a class?

"Because Clerics/Druids are overpowered and Wizards are too squishy and no one but the retarded kid are playing warriors and my favorite class is rogues."

[Requia ☣]

So?  Really, what the hell does it add to the game if the classes are more balanced.  Either you have a game like Roger's, and people will take the best classes, or you have a game where combat isn't central, and it doesn't matter.

[Sister Fracture]

That's why I made a Transmuter, and he was my favorite character I've yet played. It's powergaming, but the kind of powergaming where I have to get creative with it. Fly, Disintegrate, and spamming Dispel Magic are where it's at, with the occasional Cone of Cold thrown in when you've decided to finish 'em off.

I am inclined to disagree with you, good sir. Wizrads are there to make go BOOM. Obviously, every spell can't be go BOOM, but I don't understand why take the class at all otherwise.

Area of Effect Spells for the motherfucking win.

[Don Coyote]

So?  Really, what the hell does it add to the game if the classes are more balanced.  Either you have a game like Roger's, and people will take the best classes, or you have a game where combat isn't central, and it doesn't matter.

I feel the same way.

[Kurt Christ]

So?  Really, what the hell does it add to the game if the classes are more balanced.  Either you have a game like Roger's, and people will take the best classes, or you have a game where combat isn't central, and it doesn't matter.

In games which feature a lot of combat, but in which the players still want to play their preferred character archetypes, it detracts from the fun for one party member to be the only one that does anything every encounter. Hence, you rebalanced to make it so that the classes are equally useful so that people can play their favorite class without being rendered irrelevant. It's not that important if you approach from a purely gameply scenario (everyone will choose the best class for enjoyment of encounters) or a purely roleplay scenario (everyone will choose classes that reflect the character they wish to portray) but these are role-play games, and there is a middle ground, and too much class imbalance can ruin the fun there.

[Don Coyote]

Going back to MMOs, players frequently claim that one class is overpowered, usually one they don't play, and another class is underpowered, usually one they play, when the apparent differences between the classes' powerlevels is essentially a 'learn to play and stfu noob' issue. On the small scale of tabletop games, when you aren't usually directly competing against characters played by other people(not counting the DM) the OPness or UPness of the classes it not as apparent.

[Triple Zero]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

Really nice touch on making the monsters run away from a chicken. A lesser DM would have made them fight anyway.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

This is the shit that makes me want to start D&D again.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

that was brilliant.

I live in hell.

My group can't just BEAT the monsters, they have to do horrible shit to them.

One recurring villain in my campaign was last known as "The one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed vampire named Raoul."  Don't ask.

The fuckers pushed his wheelchair down the stairs to level 5. 

I have to.

WHY?!?!?!

He only had one leg.

Or do you mean why did they shove him down the stairs?

that and why did you make a one legged vampire.

I didn't.  I made a suave, dapper REGULAR vampire as a recurring villain, and over the course of 5 game sessions, they had his eye out, whacked off two of his limbs, and then pushed his wheelchair down the stairs because it was funnier than staking him.

They had a trollbane that prevented regen, and they kept nailing him with crits.  Everything I drew off of the crit deck was a friggin' permanent.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So?  Really, what the hell does it add to the game if the classes are more balanced.  Either you have a game like Roger's, and people will take the best classes, or you have a game where combat isn't central, and it doesn't matter.

There are no "best classes" in pathfinder, at least the original core classes.  Even the bard doesn't suck anymore.

The new classes in the APG need some work, though.