Buchenwald Lampshade Found

[Phox]

In short, it's not religion, it's PEOPLE.

There, fuck you all...If I don't eat within the next half hour I'm going to pass out.

For the record: I agree with you, Suu. 

[Requia ☣]

In short, it's not religion, it's PEOPLE.

There, fuck you all...If I don't eat within the next half hour I'm going to pass out.

Fair enough.

[Suu]

It's not a fundamentalist thing, almost all protestant faiths profess a belief in biblical literalism.

I'm going to have to disagree with that one. Sorry.

[Requia ☣]

It's not a fundamentalist thing, almost all protestant faiths profess a belief in biblical literalism.

I'm going to have to disagree with that one. Sorry.

I'm going to concede it, as I can't find a source I trust.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

For the record, I, too, think Israel is a political abomination and a human rights nightmare.

But that's a political opinion, not anti-semitism.

Yep. Hating Israel as a political entity is vastly different from hating Jews. Sometimes people have a really hard time recognizing or accepting that, though.

[Disco Pickle]

For the record, I, too, think Israel is a political abomination and a human rights nightmare.

But that's a political opinion, not anti-semitism.

Yep. Hating Israel as a political entity is vastly different from hating Jews. Sometimes people have a really hard time recognizing or accepting that, though.

didn't you hear? disagreement with Israel or anything it does is the new anti-semitism.

obviously.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

For the record, I, too, think Israel is a political abomination and a human rights nightmare.

Yeah, but I don't see you defending Nazis or hating on Jews.

Personally, I think the state of Israel is about the worst "ally" we've ever had.  But my buddy back in Chicago, Steve Goldman, well, he doesn't do a damned thing to Palistinians.  He just kinda goes to work and tries to raise his daughter (He's doing a great job of that, too.  She's probably going to Westpoint.).

[The Good Reverend Roger]

For the record, I, too, think Israel is a political abomination and a human rights nightmare.

But that's a political opinion, not anti-semitism.

Yep. Hating Israel as a political entity is vastly different from hating Jews. Sometimes people have a really hard time recognizing or accepting that, though.

didn't you hear? disagreement with Israel or anything it does is the new anti-semitism.

obviously.

That's not what happened here.  Fuck off, you scabby little twit.

[Richter]

Met a few Israelis in college.  They were pretty ambivalent about the whole thing.  They were mostly interested in drinking, clubbing, and didn't see what the big deal was about guns or military service.  (A quiet evening with the family was cleaning their pistols while watching "90210")  About as much political interest as most people our age back then.

[Cain]

Just to point out, bringing up Israel in the context of talking about Jews helps to reinforce the link between the two in an unfair way.

There are more Jews in America than there are in Israel, for example.  Israel is not representative of Judaism, nor does it have anything like a stranglehold on Jewish identity, as much as it likes to pretend to.

The best way to deal with this problem is to tell people to stop it when they bring up Israel when talking about Jews and Judaism more generally, as there is really no legitimate reason to do so.

[Phox]

Just to point out, bringing up Israel in the context of talking about Jews helps to reinforce the link between the two in an unfair way.

There are more Jews in America than there are in Israel, for example.  Israel is not representative of Judaism, nor does it have anything like a stranglehold on Jewish identity, as much as it likes to pretend to.

The best way to deal with this problem is to tell people to stop it when they bring up Israel when talking about Jews and Judaism more generally, as there is really no legitimate reason to do so.

As people who have met both will tell you: There is a huge difference between being Israeli and being Jewish. They aren't mutually exclusive, but they are nowhere near the same thing either.

[Disco Pickle]

For the record, I, too, think Israel is a political abomination and a human rights nightmare.

But that's a political opinion, not anti-semitism.

Yep. Hating Israel as a political entity is vastly different from hating Jews. Sometimes people have a really hard time recognizing or accepting that, though.

didn't you hear? disagreement with Israel or anything it does is the new anti-semitism.

obviously.

That's not what happened here.  Fuck off, you scabby little twit.

wasn't talking to you, dick.

[Cain]

Especially since 20% of the population is Arab.  16% of the population are Muslim, 2% are Christian and 1.5% are Druze.

The Israeli government likes to portray itself as a "Jewish and democratic state", it simply isn't so.  20% of the Jewish population is secular in the first place, and many of the ethnically Russian Israelis have, uh, dubious backgrounds, to put it mildly.

[Suu]

The couple Israelis I've met were fucking tapped. Wonderfully nice people for the most part, but just CRAZY.

Then again, so were the Bosnians and Serbians I went to school with in Florida. It's not cool seeing pictures of 13 year olds in the army holding semi-autos bigger than their frames. Unfortunately, that was their lives, and that's how they had to adapt to live. They had no love of that lifestyle, I assure you...It's one of those things we REALLY take for granted living in the United States.

[Phox]

To clarify lest it should be misinterpreted, I was agreeing with your statements, Cain. Rereading it, it could be taken as trying to correct you, which would be incredibly stupid of me, since you know way more about all of this shit than I ever will.