Babylon is an attention whore ITT, even for negative attention.

[LMNO]

Ok, I guess I should weigh in, for realsies.


Snuff porn seems at first to be at the far end of BDSM, a sort of "logical extension brought to illogical extremes", if you will. 

Light spanking --> Restraints/hair pulling --> rape fantasies/roleplaying --> sexual torture/visible injuries --> complete dominance of another's life/fucking someone to death.

Granted, it's more of a web than a line, but fuck it, you get the picture.  If you start thinking about the enjoyment of pain (giving and receiving), and control over another human being (or of giving control), it initially appears that if you escalate far enough, you will end with snuff.

There is a problem that stands in the way of this train of thinking: Snuff is not considered "Safe, Sane, and Consentual".  Doing something that leads to death is not Safe; wanting to die (and wanting to kill) is not Sane; and killing an unwilling partner is not Consentual.  It fails on all three fronts.  Oddly enough, hebephilia can sometimes be considered Safe and Consentual, which could lead to some uncomfortable debates which I won't begin to get into.

But we're not talking about actual snuff, we're talking about snuff fantasy, which gets into grey areas that appear to be subject to an "ick" factor, and arguments could be made that "torture porn" movies such as Hostel tap into this.  In any case, idolizing or aspiring to achieve sexual gratification via another's death is not, in my opinion, cool.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

LMNO, I don't think anyone should be regulating fantasies, of course.

But I DO reserve the right to sneer at shit like this, the same way I'd sneer at a wife-beater or a pedo.

[LMNO]

An actual wife beater and/or pedo, I'd go after with all available force: socially, legally, physically.

And someone who is engaged in the "fantasy" of spousal abuse/pedo/snuff, well... Sorry, Babs-Hor, it crosses a personal line.

[BabylonHoruv]

I misread burns as saying that in some homosexuality is a biological imperative, in the same way that heterosexuality is in others.  I hold that it is, some people are simply born with an overriding preference for one gender or the other.  Social roles then act on those genetic predispositions to create the sexual identities we end up with.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I misread burns as saying that in some homosexuality is a biological imperative, in the same way that heterosexuality is in others.  I hold that it is, some people are simply born with an overriding preference for one gender or the other.  Social roles then act on those genetic predispositions to create the sexual identities we end up with.

That's no excuse for willfully indulging in sexual fantasies that involve murder.  Sorry.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I was once engaged in some awesome sex and after climaxing a few times the girl looked at me, with beautiful wide eyes and said "Choke me".

I'd known her for a long time and we'd played together several times, but this was a first.. she asked again and so I tried. Not only did it not work, but I uh, lost the erection almost immediately. I can't even begin to imagine how much I personally wouldn't like snuff porn. I don't think less of her for wanting to be choked, I don't think less of someone who likes snuff 'FICTION'. However, I don't think either are something I could get into. I don't think that's hardwired. My BiP is still influenced by my upbringing and sex has always been a thing you do with a wonderful person (or persons if you're lucky)... not someone you wish to kill, choke or maim. I'm sure she wasn't into choking cause she might die... but in my head that's all I could see of it.

Hell, I have no idea what IS and IS NOT hardwired versus what IS and IS NOT learned behavior. Maybe by default we're all hardwired to be like bonobos, fucking everything for pleasure and occasionally for procreation. Maybe society turns us into heterosexuals or homosexuals or bisexuals or transsexuals or *sexuals (because I can't keep up with all the new ones that keep appearing on the Internet). On top of that, I think (at the very least) society has some kind of impact on the perception that a hetero/homo/othersexual has about themselves.  I've known homosexuals that occasionally have sex with the opposite sex. I've known others that get physically ill if they even think about it. To me, the second seems more likely a product of something psychological rather than physiological. Obviously I'm not an expert... and I don't care why they act the way they do... its their life they should fuck or not fuck whatever they like.

When it comes to fucking animals or the dead, I think that must be psychological. Humans under the age of 18, on the other hand I think may be physiological and/or psychological (depending on the individual), prepubescent children on the other hand seems strongly psychological.

A transsexual dressing up like a drag queen seems probably psychological to me, but a transsexual that dresses as they feel that they should may well be physiological.

In the end, what does it matter if it's psychical or psychological? As long as its consensual, its none of my business.... and probably a false dichotomy anyway.


Also if anyone would like to enlighten me as to why choking is fun... I'm still confused by it.

[BadBeast]

I was once engaged in some awesome sex and after climaxing a few times the girl looked at me, with beautiful wide eyes and said "Choke me".

I'd known her for a long time and we'd played together several times, but this was a first.. she asked again and so I tried. Not only did it not work, but I uh, lost the erection almost immediately. I can't even begin to imagine how much I personally wouldn't like snuff porn. I don't think less of her for wanting to be choked, I don't think less of someone who likes snuff 'FICTION'. However, I don't think either are something I could get into. I don't think that's hardwired. My BiP is still influenced by my upbringing and sex has always been a thing you do with a wonderful person (or persons if you're lucky)... not someone you wish to kill, choke or maim. I'm sure she wasn't into choking cause she might die... but in my head that's all I could see of it.

Hell, I have no idea what IS and IS NOT hardwired versus what IS and IS NOT learned behavior. Maybe by default we're all hardwired to be like bonobos, fucking everything for pleasure and occasionally for procreation. Maybe society turns us into heterosexuals or homosexuals or bisexuals or transsexuals or *sexuals (because I can't keep up with all the new ones that keep appearing on the Internet). On top of that, I think (at the very least) society has some kind of impact on the perception that a hetero/homo/othersexual has about themselves.  I've known homosexuals that occasionally have sex with the opposite sex. I've known others that get physically ill if they even think about it. To me, the second seems more likely a product of something psychological rather than physiological. Obviously I'm not an expert... and I don't care why they act the way they do... its their life they should fuck or not fuck whatever they like.

When it comes to fucking animals or the dead, I think that must be psychological. Humans under the age of 18, on the other hand I think may be physiological and/or psychological (depending on the individual), prepubescent children on the other hand seems strongly psychological.

A transsexual dressing up like a drag queen seems probably psychological to me, but a transsexual that dresses as they feel that they should may well be physiological.

In the end, what does it matter if it's psychical or psychological? As long as its consensual, its none of my business.... and probably a false dichotomy anyway.


Also if anyone would like to enlighten me as to why choking is fun... I'm still confused by it.

I had a similar experience to yours. I was 30, she was 17, up for just about anything, great girl in many respects, but had some issues. She asked me to choke her too. So I thought, why not? Clamped my hand tightly around her throat, and squeezed. For as long as I dared. Then I let go, because her eyes rolled back in her head. "Again again" she begged, so I obliged her. But the nagging thought of "How do I explain this if it goes wrong?" wouldn't let go.
I can't say I didn't enjoy it either, that was quite scary. But the summer went, and off she went, back to College. Haven't heard from her since.

[LMNO]

Also if anyone would like to enlighten me as to why choking is fun... I'm still confused by it.

Oxygen deprevation, utter abandonment/submission, power games, rape fantasy, trust, getting your passionhatelustsex wires crossed.



LMNO
-but I don't consider that snuff, just another BDSM variant.

[BadBeast]

Also if anyone would like to enlighten me as to why choking is fun... I'm still confused by it.

Oxygen deprevation, utter abandonment/submission, power games, rape fantasy, trust, getting your passionhatelustsex wires crossed.



LMNO
-but I don't consider that snuff, just another BDSM variant.

Yeah, it's not even in the same fetish ball park  as snuff. Unless, of course, it all goes horribly wrong, then the Prosecution will prove that indeed, you did it to satisfy your depraved sexdeath urges, and make sure that your first Parole application won't be for at least 30 years. 

[Whatever]

Whatever happened to your basics?  You know, young delivery guy brings a box of dildos and sex gel to a house of wanton older women who proceed to have their wicked way with him? 

[LMNO]

Been there, fucked that.

[Whatever]

Been there, fucked that.

So once conquered the hill has no appeal? 

[LMNO]

Of course not.  But once you've conquered the basics, why not explore the peaks and valleys?

That's like a cook learning how to scramble an egg, and then asking, "what's the point of poaching them, served with hollandaise?"

[hooplala]

Been there, fucked that.

So once conquered the hill has no appeal? 

The hill is overrated, and has a flabby ass...

Like Paris Hilton:

[Whatever]

Of course not.  But once you've conquered the basics, why not explore the peaks and valleys?

That's like a cook learning how to scramble an egg, and then asking, "what's the point of poaching them, served with hollandaise?"

Eh I'm not saying that exploration and experimentation is not a good thing and absolutely necessary..... 

My thinking was more along the lines of have we gone so far that this (snuff porn, torture porn etc..) is the next infatuation because we've been there and done that with everything else? 

I don't know, I'm very naive when it comes to this.