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Familiar Heroes, part V of V

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, January 07, 2011, 07:04:31 PM

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Phox

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: Niamh on January 07, 2011, 09:05:50 PM
You know, another side effect of this series is I realize, all my heroes are gone.

Well except for you Roger and Charley.

I am no hero. Never have been.

You're a good man, Charley. One of the best I've never met. Roger, too. I think you two are more worthy of admiration and respect than almost any comic book hero.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Like I said, I don't consider Rock's fate in this to be the tragedy of the story.  He gets to have that one perfect moment for the rest of his life.

What made this concept fairly easy was that Sgt Rock was in an eternal war.  The issues would jump from Africa to Italy to France, back to Africa, etc, wherever the story happened to be.  Beetle Bailey spent 50 years in basic training, but Sgt Rock spent 38 years in combat.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Adios

Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 07, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: Niamh on January 07, 2011, 09:05:50 PM
You know, another side effect of this series is I realize, all my heroes are gone.

Well except for you Roger and Charley.

I am no hero. Never have been.

You're a good man, Charley. One of the best I've never met. Roger, too. I think you two are more worthy of admiration and respect than almost any comic book hero.

:oops:

hooplala

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

I know about Patton, what about him?
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

Naw.  Rock was the eternal NCO.  The Roman legions probably had centurions like him.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Adios

Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

I know about Patton, what about him?

He was a twisted, genius, mans man hero. And he was shoved under the carpet and forgotten once he no longer had any use. And he was a winner.

hooplala

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Like I said, I don't consider Rock's fate in this to be the tragedy of the story.  He gets to have that one perfect moment for the rest of his life.

What made this concept fairly easy was that Sgt Rock was in an eternal war.  The issues would jump from Africa to Italy to France, back to Africa, etc, wherever the story happened to be.  Beetle Bailey spent 50 years in basic training, but Sgt Rock spent 38 years in combat.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the writer said Rock died on the last day of the war, shot by the last bullet fired.

And, yeah, I agree Rock's story isn't tragic here... I just meant that those fucks who worked at the old folk's home, there probably are creeps like that, sadly.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

hooplala

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

I know about Patton, what about him?

He was a twisted, genius, mans man hero. And he was shoved under the carpet and forgotten once he no longer had any use. And he was a winner.

I don't see how that's applicable here.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Adios

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

Naw.  Rock was the eternal NCO.  The Roman legions probably had centurions like him.

And IRL after the war he would have been tossed on the trash heap. Right along with all the others.

Adios

Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

I know about Patton, what about him?

He was a twisted, genius, mans man hero. And he was shoved under the carpet and forgotten once he no longer had any use. And he was a winner.

I don't see how that's applicable here.

I think the pattern would have been the same if they had allowed us to see him win.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Like I said, I don't consider Rock's fate in this to be the tragedy of the story.  He gets to have that one perfect moment for the rest of his life.

What made this concept fairly easy was that Sgt Rock was in an eternal war.  The issues would jump from Africa to Italy to France, back to Africa, etc, wherever the story happened to be.  Beetle Bailey spent 50 years in basic training, but Sgt Rock spent 38 years in combat.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the writer said Rock died on the last day of the war, shot by the last bullet fired.

And, yeah, I agree Rock's story isn't tragic here... I just meant that those fucks who worked at the old folk's home, there probably are creeps like that, sadly.

One of the two creators has him killed in that manner.  The other had him survive, and wrote no end of ridiculous superhero shit about him.

But nobody showed the end of the war.  I decided he lived, because sometimes there has to be a happy ending.

Lastly, only the supervisor was a shithead.  The attendant at least had the imagination to wonder what a 95+ year old man might be dreaming about.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

Naw.  Rock was the eternal NCO.  The Roman legions probably had centurions like him.

And IRL after the war he would have been tossed on the trash heap. Right along with all the others.

Most of the WWII vets did very well after the war.  It wasn't like after WWI or Vietnam.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

hooplala

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

I know about Patton, what about him?

He was a twisted, genius, mans man hero. And he was shoved under the carpet and forgotten once he no longer had any use. And he was a winner.

I don't see how that's applicable here.

I think the pattern would have been the same if they had allowed us to see him win.

Well sure, but it needn't have gone farther than what Roger presented in the first part of his story... freeze frame on "VICTORY!"

I've heard conspiracy theories that Patton was murdered and the "accident" was no such thing.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Adios

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Google Patton.

Naw.  Rock was the eternal NCO.  The Roman legions probably had centurions like him.

And IRL after the war he would have been tossed on the trash heap. Right along with all the others.

Most of the WWII vets did very well after the war.  It wasn't like after WWI or Vietnam.

Yeah, sorry, I just get bitter once in a while. Men like Rock terrified lesser men.

hooplala

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2011, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
I loved this piece, Roger.  It is sadly mostly likely what would happen if Rock had been a real person.  Its a crime of literature that we were denied seeing Rock win.

Like I said, I don't consider Rock's fate in this to be the tragedy of the story.  He gets to have that one perfect moment for the rest of his life.

What made this concept fairly easy was that Sgt Rock was in an eternal war.  The issues would jump from Africa to Italy to France, back to Africa, etc, wherever the story happened to be.  Beetle Bailey spent 50 years in basic training, but Sgt Rock spent 38 years in combat.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the writer said Rock died on the last day of the war, shot by the last bullet fired.

And, yeah, I agree Rock's story isn't tragic here... I just meant that those fucks who worked at the old folk's home, there probably are creeps like that, sadly.

One of the two creators has him killed in that manner.  The other had him survive, and wrote no end of ridiculous superhero shit about him.

But nobody showed the end of the war.  I decided he lived, because sometimes there has to be a happy ending.

Lastly, only the supervisor was a shithead.  The attendant at least had the imagination to wonder what a 95+ year old man might be dreaming about.

Point.

And yes, I remember a Brave and Bold with Rock.  I have no idea what they were thinking.

Am I imagining that it was once said that Rock was a descendant of Jonah Hex?  Now I'm doubting it even as I type this... oh well, "post".
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman