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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2011, 03:19:02 am »
So where does all this leave Dune?

In the rubbish bin, where it belongs.

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Hey I like Dune, the rest of his work is rubbish though.

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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2011, 04:06:07 am »
As long as it's not about String Theory.

It occurs to me that even if you start from the assumption that string theory is true, it is still completely useless for the purpose of science fiction.  Except maybe as technobabble.
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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2011, 05:08:35 am »
As long as it's not about String Theory.

It occurs to me that even if you start from the assumption that string theory is true, it is still completely useless for the purpose of science fiction.  Except maybe as technobabble.

Wasnt Michio Kaku's Tv show basically him using string theory to techno-babble into existence light sabers and shit?
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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2011, 06:25:22 am »
I haven't read much fiction in years and recently got the urge to buy some science fiction. Can anyone recommend a few books? Assume that I know nothing and point me straight to the good stuff.

Strangely enough I was just having an argument on Friday night about what constituted Science Fiction.  A friend was trying to claim that Star Wars was Science Fiction... I argued that it was Fantasy, dressed up as Science Fiction.  I was unable to win over the crowd.  Apparently, to the people, if there are robots and lasers, it's Science Fiction.  I eventually gave up, and just drank quietly.

I call it cosmetic science fiction when the story can still be told without robots, lasers, etc, but fantasy works too.

I'm not sure whether this fits in with hard sci-fi, but I think the genre is at its best when a technology or scientific concept is used to place characters into a situation where themes and ideas that couldn't be elegantly expressed otherwise are able to thrive. So far no one has agreed with me on this.

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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2011, 01:35:33 pm »
Hard Scifi:

Larry Niven, All the Myriad Ways

Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash, The Diamond Age, Anathem



Not-so Hard Scifi:

Philip K Dick, Ubik

Arthur C Clarke, Childhood's End

Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game

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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2011, 01:44:52 pm »
So where does all this leave Dune?

I loved god emperor of dune and the first dune book,  GE was a proper full political intrigue novel (the rest of the series shied away and ended most segments with a fantasy deus ex). The first book was much better then the remaining books in the series, but years after I first read it, it doesn't pack the punch it did when I was sixteen.
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2011, 03:21:46 pm »
I grew up on Buck Rogers. That dude had some cool shit!

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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2011, 09:29:06 pm »
So where does all this leave Dune?

I loved god emperor of dune and the first dune book,  GE was a proper full political intrigue novel (the rest of the series shied away and ended most segments with a fantasy deus ex). The first book was much better then the remaining books in the series, but years after I first read it, it doesn't pack the punch it did when I was sixteen.


I kinda felt the same thing, noticed that there was some repetitiveness and unnecessary segments when I went to reread it. But overall still a decent book.
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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2011, 01:34:22 am »
Great OP and I don't have much to add beyond Alastair Reynolds being AWESOME hard scifi. Dude was an astrophysicist for the European space agency for 12 years and his book Chasm City made me hate the movie Wall-E for the sole reason that multigenerational space traveling A) isn't likely going to result in a peaceful, unchanged culture and B) ISN'T MOTHERFUCKING LIKELY GOING TO RESULT IN A PEACEFUL, UNCHANGED CULTURE YOU GOD DAMNED MORONS.

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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2011, 10:55:21 pm »
I don't know why Greg Egan doesn't get more love, but he's been responsible for the best "hard SF" I've read in recent memory. He just takes an idea and goes with it. No unnecessary crap and no 3 book-1000 page each-bullshit-epic-sagas.
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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2011, 11:22:41 pm »
I have a couple of Egan books I haven't gotten around to yet.  I suppose they are now on The List as well...

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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2011, 11:35:18 pm »
I have a couple of Egan books I haven't gotten around to yet.  I suppose they are now on The List as well...

Pretty sure I am jealous of your book collection, except on moving day.

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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2011, 11:41:56 pm »
I have a couple of Egan books I haven't gotten around to yet.  I suppose they are now on The List as well...

In my experience they're pretty quick reads, even though they contain lots of things to think about. "Axiomatic" (I think) which is a collection of short stories, nearly blew my mind with its sheer density of ideas.
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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2011, 12:56:15 pm »
I have a couple of Egan books I haven't gotten around to yet.  I suppose they are now on The List as well...

Pretty sure I am jealous of your book collection, except on moving day.

99% of them are on an external hard drive.

Admittedly, that still leaves a pretty large, in real terms, 1% to move (I have two full bookcases, plus a box, plus a table, for storage) but its not as bad as you'd think.

I have a couple of Egan books I haven't gotten around to yet.  I suppose they are now on The List as well...

In my experience they're pretty quick reads, even though they contain lots of things to think about. "Axiomatic" (I think) which is a collection of short stories, nearly blew my mind with its sheer density of ideas.

Yeah, they didn't look too large when I got them, but at the moment, unfortunately, I have to do a lot of work-related reading, so I'm looking at edging them back until I'm a little more free (which may not be before July, depending on certain factors).

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Re: The Science Fiction Rant
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2011, 01:40:43 pm »

99% of them are on an external hard drive.
Wow, what kind of size folder are they, would they all fit on an 8gig memory key if I sent it to you if you had time?
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