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Tucker's Kobolds and Pathfinder

Started by Requia ☣, February 09, 2011, 12:02:12 AM

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Requia ☣

I'll be starting high level campaign Saturday (hopefully).  I'm looking at doing a Tucker's Kobolds style mission for the opening.  One of the things from that I want to have them do is shooting crossbows through murder holes.

The catch here is that Pathfinder tends to lend itself to fairly high AC values, and most of the low level monsters have very low attack bonuses, (A kobold for example has a +3 for ranged attacks).  So the question is, how do I get low level monsters to actually hit the PCs on something other than a natural 20?
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 09, 2011, 12:02:12 AM
I'll be starting high level campaign Saturday (hopefully). 

Boing.  Bad move.  But anyway...

What worked in 1st ed doesn't work now.

Don't have them engage in melee.  Have them trigger command-detonated traps, nets, etc.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 09, 2011, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 09, 2011, 12:02:12 AM
I'll be starting high level campaign Saturday (hopefully). 

Boing.  Bad move.  But anyway...

What worked in 1st ed doesn't work now.

Don't have them engage in melee.  Have them trigger command-detonated traps, nets, etc.

Google IED training.

Luna

That.

If you're married to the idea of crossbows through murder holes, let the little bastards rig up a series of crossbows, fired in batches from a couple safe vantage points.  

Here's a cheery thought, guaranteed to warm the hearts of your party.  That sheen on the floor?  When the flint arrowheads start sparking off the floor and walls, the oil ignites...
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I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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I agree. Turn it into some crazy kobold mechanism and give it an attack bonus appropriate for the encounter.
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Requia ☣

I have, if anybody is interested, decided to combine the being shot at through murder holes bit with the bit where the wererats release something nasty from a cage (haven't decided what yet).

They still won't do much, but they'll count more as a bonus than an actual encounter.
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 09, 2011, 08:12:55 AM
I have, if anybody is interested, decided to combine the being shot at through murder holes bit with the bit where the wererats release something nasty from a cage (haven't decided what yet).

They still won't do much, but they'll count more as a bonus than an actual encounter.

Giant mutant rat.  (Build your own, whatever will make a real challenge for your players, with the added hail of crossbow bolts for spice.)  Play it up, huge, mangy, ugly, drooling critter.  When the party brings it down and searches it (they always search it), they find a collar, with the name "Fluffy" lovingly worked into the leather.
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If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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The only rationalle for kobolds surviving as a species is:

1.  Low ceilings, and

2.  SCIENCE.  Don't think of them as warriors, think of them as combat engineers.
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 09, 2011, 03:07:25 PM
The only rationalle for kobolds surviving as a species is:

1.  Low ceilings, and

2.  SCIENCE.  Don't think of them as warriors, think of them as combat engineers.

There is nothing, NOTHING as entertaining as the look on your plate-mail wearing burly-man realizing that he's gotta strip to his skivvies if he wants to follow the li'l buggers down the hole. 
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Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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Quote from: Luna on February 09, 2011, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 09, 2011, 03:07:25 PM
The only rationalle for kobolds surviving as a species is:

1.  Low ceilings, and

2.  SCIENCE.  Don't think of them as warriors, think of them as combat engineers.

There is nothing, NOTHING as entertaining as the look on your plate-mail wearing burly-man realizing that he's gotta strip to his skivvies if he wants to follow the li'l buggers down the hole. 

Or the look on the wizard's face as the kobold on the other side of the ventilation fan throws a bag of broken glass into it.
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

So, you should think about Kobolds not as "creatures that attack the PCs", but as "creatures that activate death machines that attack the PCs"?


I would think that while a kobold hitting you with a sword wouldn't do much, a kobold dropping half a ton of active volcano on your head would?

Richter

So instead of a game where everyone lines up in easily flankable rows to havea stand-up fight against squishable hateable little baddies, you're proposing that players get dragged through tiny caverns being maliciously tricked with deadly intent at every corner?

PERFECT.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 09, 2011, 03:25:46 PM
So, you should think about Kobolds not as "creatures that attack the PCs", but as "creatures that activate death machines that attack the PCs"?


I would think that while a kobold hitting you with a sword wouldn't do much, a kobold dropping half a ton of active volcano on your head would?

Dragon biting you:  Hurts.

Kobold dropping an avil on you from the top of the tower that's over their lair?  Hurts more.

Also, the boss should be a sorc (dragon bloodline) into dragon disciple.  If he's high enough level to cast 4th level spells, BLACK TENTACLES.  No shit.

Any full out kobold tribe is going to have assloads of sorcs.
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.